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  1. miurasv

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    ...you should have seen what I did to the other guy! :D
     
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    3647GT has been with its owner since 1967! woww thats a long time!

    The best thing he ever bought!
     
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    Looks like the spoiler is detachable? Is that original?
     
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  7. miurasv

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    Spoiler is welded on original in 1962. You can see rubber seal, bolts and screws on current body. Rectangle lights mounted on visible in 1962.

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    I don't understand why he did it detachable.
     
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    The body on 3445GT is not Original. This car was at one time the Drogo GTO. So it can look like the Original.. it certainly isn't.

    The big question for me is... Should it be Classiche certified?
     
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  10. Marcel Massini

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    3445 GT has been factory certified a few years ago already.

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    I find that somehow beautiful. I wonder if the owner kept it and is displaying it?
     
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    With regards Classiche, when does the clock stop with regards racing mods? before it can no longer be certified as original? and do these mods have to have been done by the factory? if so what about privateer mods on privateer cars both in period and later on.

    Also do race cars also have to have the annual inspection in order to keep the certification in date?
     
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    If a racing car was modified by Ferrari it can get Red Book Certification in the specification as it last left Ferrari. If modified outside Ferrari it can get get White Book Certification as a Car of Historic Interest if it raced in that exact configuration in National or International Competitions.

    I haven't seen anywhere that race cars are exempt from the annual inspection.
     
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    3445 spoiler is actually correct as detachable. See pic (posted by GIOTTO) below as it was originally in its first race in 1962. Must have been welded later and by the time raced by Ulf Norinder in 1963.
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    I'm sure it's detailed in DCN's GTO book (I don't have it)...
    3223 was built without a Kammback/Kamm tail.
    Testing indicated that adding one would improve stability at high speeds.
    Thus the factory added the riveted spoiler to the early cars after the bodies had been completed.

    With respect to the rectangular mounting block for the tail lights, I was told this was an add-on instituted by racing scrutineers at a particular circuit. If memory serves, the idea was that mounting them on that block meant that they were visible from the side, something that wasn't possible in the original configuration.

    It's interesting to look at the original press photos of 3223 before the details of the rear spoiler and light block were changed.
     
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    It's a relatively minor point, but the spoiler does not make it a Kamm tail. In fact, the spoiler might make it less of a pure Kamm style design. Kamm found that abruptly chopping a teardrop shape kept most of the benefits without some drawbacks (additional structure, etc.).
     
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    What's the purpose of the roof seam?

    Thank you in advance.
     
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    Not a purpose.
    This is the point where two sections of alloy sheets come together. Roof and B-pillar.
    See also alloy 275 GTB's, same seam (and that's why Scaglietti for visual reasons extended the rain gutter after the end of the side window, to cover that seam as much as possible).

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    Thank you very much for your answer and the explanation Mr Massini.
     
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    News for #5573 - #5111?
     
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    Without and subsequently with flared rear wheel arches. Currently, per pictures undergoing repair, without flares.

    So were flares added randomly (rubbing issues, larger tires ?) to the cars during their life or was it a factory change during "production" run retrofitted to earlier built cars?

    Is either configuration correct for a car that's had both non-flared/flared configurations?
     
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