Official Ferrari F12 Berlinetta Picture Thread

Nope

 

And all this time I was thinking how much he cared......how naive....

 

Also...and I hate to be the guy to say this, especially this time of year...but...there..ummm...is...no Santa Claus either. Gulp.

 

You bring up some interesting thoughts.

First the F12 is more hand built than a Honda. But its not truly hand built. Unlike your 275.

I can understand why you would look to say if the cost of owning each were equal, but the reality is while you and I can have our opinions, the market place as a whole has its own opinion and I think we both know what that is.

For daily driving, I would take a modern car. There are many times I would take a modern car. But there are singular and unique sensations you can only get in a vintage car.

As to Mr. Enzo Ferrari I didn't know you converse with him. He was famous for not really being too chummy with his clients, but his cars were- and still are- beloved anyway.

 

Well..I don't want to belabor points for the mere sake of arguing, especially given that I adore most Ferrari's ever built.
The "Market" depends on numerous values, not all of which include the intrinsic "greatness" of a particular item; for example, rarity and the perceived value an item may contain in future transactions. Please, under no circumstance, can anyone here argue effectively, to me anyway, that a Ferrari 250 GTO has the "intrinsic car value" equivalent to nearly (approximately for the sake of discussion) 75 F12tdf cars. Of course not. It's value is based upon the perceived investment value to a very small group of ultra wealthy art collectors. That does not make it 75X the car a F12tdf is. The Emperor's New Clothes, and all that...
Of course for daily driving a modern car is superior, in fact for daily driving my Ford F-150 King Ranch is superior to most cars ever discussed on FChat for the purposes of daily use. So what? My point about the F12 vs 275 was actually about a Sunday morning romp through the country roads in Kentucky (for an example). I still maintain that the F12 is superior in this regard as well.
As to the "Mr Enzo" comment, I assume you have read books about the life of Enzo Ferrari, no? He was famous for an open disdain and disregard for his street car clients. Unless you were winning racing for him in Grand Prix, he likely didn't give a crap about you. If you feel differently about the historical record of Enzo Ferrari, please feel free to provide a counter example. And in closing, that has absolutely nothing to do with your concluding remark about his cars being "beloved anyway." What, prey tell, does that comment have to do with anything discussed? Yes his cars are beloved, by me as well. I love my F12 ( and my Speciale, and my 458 Spider, and my 16M); and I love the 275, the Daytona, the 512bb, 288 GTO, F40, etc., etc., etc.
My opinion still stands (to me anyway) remove dollars...the F12 is equivalent to a vintage Ferrari in all metrics; rarity and desirability for historic yearnings are equally offset by the beauty, performance, luxury, power of the F12...one of Ferrari's all time great cars (all IMO of course).

 

First, i love the F12, i love the way Manzoni create a modern design with a beautifull timeless GT shape.
And i think it is one of Ferraris greatest cars, too.

But without dollars, vintage vs modern, 275 vs F12, no brainer for me, 275!
Because my love for vintage is much bigger than for modern cars.
Also with dollars, 275! Problem i can "only" afford a F12...

Sitting behind a wooden Nardi with its pure classy sporty elegance and feel,
the pedal and stick feel, the beauty of the Veglia instruments and
the special feel from each cockpit, the Lusso, the 275, the 250 GTE, etc.
the door sound and last but not least the engine, especially the Colombos,
it is a oil, petrol and leather smelling romantic travel back in time,
with so much special feeling only a vintage Ferrari can give!

I'm really thankfully for have this passion and love for this brand
and feel privileged and hope that always one stand in my garage,
no matter if it is vintage or modern.

 

Manzoni is far away from F12 design language. His design vision is visible on 488 GTB and on 812.

Sadly , F12 was last Pininfarina's work for Ferrari.

P.S. I am not big fan of man in sweater leading Ferrari and Manzoni as lead designer, but thats just me

 

Manzoni is the man behind the F12 design! And of course LaF, which i like a lot and yes, 488 and 812 i don't like
that much but at the end, Manzoni, for me, is a great designer!

 

Cristian in terms of design I see Manzoni as a kind of bipolar artist and therefore capable of the worst and the very best. When many of us first saw the pictures of the 812 and specially the rear end with it's disconnection with the rest of the car, I thought how uninspired must have been Manzoni when he designed something like that. On the other hand when the Portofino was launched and the first pictures of the car were released, the general reaction to the design was that it shows the talent of a very inspired Manzoni.

 

All i want to say in my initial post, was that the F12 is great and Manzoni did
a great job with this model!

 

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F12 in front of two US land marks. The second is Devil’s Tower in Wyoming.


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Yes aware on all counts. Mr. Ferrari would say he is an agitator of men. That worked for him.

My opinion is simply the opposite. All else being equal, you could give me the keys to a 275 or an F12 for a nice romp through the back roads, I would take the 275 every time. As I see it the 275 is just as beautiful, if not more so, than the 275. They are both all time beauties, but I think the 275 is just more beautiful. And the experience of driving it more special. And this is saying something since the F12 is pretty special! Now, add in, you might have to swing by your office, you might want to go out for lunch in a business district, you have some calls that might come in... modern life kinds of things... or you are going to go on a longer drive... I would take the F12 for its modern advantages. But, there is NOTHING like driving one of these vintage cars. JMHO. Anyway, can't remember how we got here but its all good- everyone has their opinion.

I believe the F12b is part Ferrari Design Center (Manzoni) and part Pininfarina. I think the front part is actually FDC and the rear PF.

You've had a Close Encounter with an F12 - gorgeous!

 

I respect your opinion immensely, and for the most part I am in complete agreement that vintage Ferrari's are magical and to be coveted!
I doubt I will ever outlay the cash to own a true vintage Ferrari (275 and its brethren), but certainly would love to drive one someday. My 1959 Maserati 3500GT, while beautiful to behold, was somewhat less than magical to drive with vague steering, poor brakes, mediocre acceleration...but certainly a 6 cylinder Maserati is no comparison to a V12 vintage Ferrari!
Cheers and Happy Holidays to all my fellow Ferrari fanatics!!

 

To some persists the idea that the F12b was mostly a product designed in house by Ferrari and that the Pininfarina collaboration wasn’t relevant at all. Using the article published by the French magazine AUTOMOBILES October 2012 about the new F12b, I reproduce some of the information they revealed about the project and development of this car.

Automobiles refers that in 2005 Donato Cocco became responsible for the Ferrari design office and he held that position until 2009 when he left for Lotus. In 2010 Flavio Manzoni was hired for the vacant position but the F12b studies had already started during Cocco’s time. After Manzoni became the Ferrari chief designer a theme that had already been developed by Andrea Militello (ex FIAT senior designer) and his team - Werner Gruber and Alberto Agnari – gave the general orientation of what should be the F12b. The goal put to Ferrari design office and to Pininfarina was the development of a car with optimal aerodynamics where all the different components necessary to achieve that should be integrated in the design. Ailerons and appendices because were associated with tuning had to be completely avoided. That’s when Franco Cimatti who was in charge of the studies and concepts at Pininfarina came up with the genious idea and the new concept of the aerobridges. The aerobridges are a kind of DNA of the F12b and that aerodynamic innovation has the Pininfarina signature. It was followed by other very interesting ideas like for instance the reinterpretation of the Kamm tail that gives prominence to the massive diffuser.

The beauty and the elegance we perceive in the F12b are the result of optimal aerodynamics features superbly integrated in what can be considered a truly superior design.

 

Thanks guys- really excellent posts! Yes, the older cars are not like the modern cars, but cuts both ways. That's just how it is. In 50 years we might still fondly remember the F12 and everyone will be saying, why would you want to drive that old dinosaur... who knows. I say we are lucky to be living in this time.

 

MDEL thank you for very detailed response regarding Pininfarina's involvement in F12 design process.

When you look at 488GTB and 812 you can clearly see absence of feminine voloptuos design touches of every modern Ferrari that was sculptured by PF.

 

We drove those roads in our truck some years back. Musta been a ton of fun in your beautiful F12...T

 

For years the F12 Berlinetta design story was actually the home page of the Auomotive Design section of the Pininfarina website. Just go to their website and read all about the design of the F12, FF and 458. Its a well known story.

http://www.pininfarina.com/en/ferrari_f12berlinetta/?category_nav=automotive

Also, the LaF was an open design competition and the winning design was neither Ferrari or Pininfarina yet the Pininfarina entry was similar to the selected design and is prominently displayed at the Ferrari museum.

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We just completed this stunning F12 Berlinetta using HRE's new premium private label: ANRKY Wheels. Take a look at our writeup here - https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/stunningly-blue-ferrari-f12-berlinetta-on-anrky-an34s-a-wheels-boutique-production.566351/- and let us know what you think.

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Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed reading it.

 

I usually dislike anything aftermarket on a Ferrari, but those two pics look clean

 

This just goes to show how good looking the F12b is. Any guesses on color? Blu NART?