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Discussion in '348/355' started by johnk..., Dec 13, 2017.

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  1. SoCal1

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    #151 SoCal1, Dec 20, 2017

    I think there are about 2 cars like this left in competition condition. Sad day if we loose them :)
     
  2. AceMaster

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    #152 AceMaster, Dec 20, 2017
    I get what you're saying, but anything can go at anytime.
     
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    #153 johnk..., Dec 20, 2017
    Yep. After 800 miles of flawless driving last summer I was out with my wife, about 80 miles from home and for no reason at all the car started breaking up badly just above 4k RPM in any gear. Really made no sense. Turned out to be a broken signal wire on one of the phase sensors making intermittent contact. Why only above 4k RPM I have have no clue. The best explanation is that it must have been a sympathetic vibration of the wire.

    I can only imagine what that would have cost to find if I took it to a shop. No codes, no indicators of any kind. Started fine. Drove fine, as long as you kept it under 4k.
     
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    #154 andrew911, Dec 20, 2017
    Interesting- when I had my 360 my mechanic said there were very few reasons a 360 motor should have to come out- most everything is done with the motor installed. I can see being anal about these cars & am myself- just that I have a great/honest ferrari expert mechanic though- over the years he talked me out of items that other mechanics may have gone ahead and done :) As an example, when I first got my 360 I asked about a new clutch- it grabbed OK but seems more at the top. He said no, you're not doing that unless it's needed & it's not. I had the car 6 years and it grabbed fine- the same the last day I had the car as the first- I was just used to the beefier feel of the german stick shifts I've had over the years when I first got the 360 (911s, v8 BMW, etc) and the car was fine. Not doing a new clutch saved me $$$. [The lighter flywheel in the 360 is a joy to use once you get the hang of it- heel/toe rev match, and high rev upshifts were seemless! But of the two cars, the 355 shifts easier and the 355 flywheel is also a little heavier so easier to shift smoothly/match revs around town] Very early on, I realized my mechanic really is a "true" mechanic that does proper preventative maint and diagnosis vs. let's just replace everything...

    As a former 360 owner, I'm curious why one would need an engine out service though...I recall they didn't have valve guide (or any compression) issues, and I had one of my headers replaced with the motor in the car (those blasted pre-cats in the 360/430 headers!!)

    Barry- one thing my mechanic did do is refinish the valve covers when they were off for my last engine out for my 355- I'm surprised you don't repaint those as it's buried in the service manuals that fresh paint adds 5-10 HP to the rear wheels :)
     
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    #156 308 GTB, Dec 20, 2017

    Right, John. And those who don't run away from my car in disgust tell me that the body panel gaps are uneven. :)
     
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    :D
     
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    #158 308 GTB, Dec 20, 2017
    My poor 1995 F355 Challenge has had a rough life. And it still has the original headers, catalytic converters and valve guides.

    I've read somewhere that something was supposed to go wrong with them.
     
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  9. SoCal1

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    #159 SoCal1, Dec 20, 2017

    Yuuup :) Lots of slow sand blasting also with optional duct tape to hold the hood :)

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    #160 G. Pepper, Dec 20, 2017
    You guys are savages. :)
     
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    #161 SoCal1, Dec 20, 2017

    Were just keeping it real appreciating the game :)
     
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    #163 G. Pepper, Dec 20, 2017
    That was beautiful. Seriously, thanks...

    You're still a savage. :)
     
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    #165 G. Pepper, Dec 20, 2017
    Ah, spring is in the air, the flowers are in bloom, and a man's heart turns to... spinning out his Ferrari! :D

    You are so lucky to have that captured in photos! Here's my best hero shot. Kinda tame, but the photographer was brilliant.
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    #166 Dave rocks, Dec 20, 2017
    Another Fchat thread gone off the rails from the original topic :D ;)
     
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    #167 308 GTB, Dec 20, 2017

    Not really, Dave. During the major service all that grass and dirt gets removed. :D
     
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    #168 G. Pepper, Dec 20, 2017
    Boddington's Pub Ale exhaled through the nose is not a pleasant experience... just so you know. :D
     
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    #169 johnk..., Dec 20, 2017
    OT, but I once did that on the Jersey Turnpike in my '89 3 series due to a little snow. I was on my way home to Phila from CT the day before Thanksgiving, in the fast lane. Next thing I knew I was driving down the pike backwards with people staring at me. Got it slowed down a bit, tapped the brakes and turned the wheel and spun her back in around .
     
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    #170 308 GTB, Dec 20, 2017
    Sorry, George. :D
     
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    #171 vdettore, Dec 20, 2017
    I’m in the midst of having my 348 corrected from a botched 30k mile service including having a cracked block (bottom of engine 1/8”). About $20k and nothing to do with a timing belt failure. Keep in mind another $8k was spent at the Indy shop I thought could do the service. Yessiree as a new Ferrari 348 owner I have paid and am paying my dues $$$. Ignorance is what cost me. Thankfully I’m a life long enthusiast so I can deal with it.


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  22. Nader

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    #172 Nader, Dec 20, 2017
    Oh, man, I remember your thread about the 6 month long service at the independent shop, who pulled the engine from the top, and ending with a bad starter and misfiring. So they also cracked the block? As I recall, you cut ties with the indy shop and took your car to the dealership. What has the dealership had to correct thus far?

    I keep saying this, that the major service is not a benign procedure. Especially if the tech hasn't done a bunch of them. A lot of opportunities to stretch, loosen, and tweak electrical connections, which may result in mysterious electrical gremlins. Dozens of fasteners that may be cross-threaded, over or under-torqued, or completely forgotten. Do this on a fuel or brake connection and you have a serious safety problem. Even something as simple as orienting a belt guidance shoe above the cam pulley (never mind setting the tensioner) can go wrong and shred the new belt that so much effort and money went into replacing. All for a 3-5 year old belt that looked and functioned as new, if the prior service went right.

    Like I always say, a cure that's worse than the disease.
     
  23. Natkingcolebasket69

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    #173 Natkingcolebasket69, Dec 20, 2017
    Never driven a challenge: how good is it and to go back to the main topic are there any differences in servicing than a regular 355? Any big ticket items which are more costly on it?


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    #174 Flavio_C, Dec 20, 2017
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    http://www.ferrariservice.de/

    As far as I remember this shop in southern Germany charges 1550 euros (around 1300 EUR if you are a Swiss resident) for a F355 major service, including all parts. So the 1500 GBP figure in the UK is not far off.

    Sincerely, I believe the "$5k to 10k " quote in the US for a major is a question of supply and demand or simply the "Ferrari price tag".
     
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    #175 vdettore, Dec 20, 2017
    I don’t think they cracked the block, but the front cam seals were still leaking, wires were crossed and upper radiator hose on right side was leaking. (Last two things easy fixes). But to fix the front cam seal engine needed to be dropped so while that is being done, “while you’re in there...”


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