No new news...info was posted three weeks ago on Autocar https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari-488-gto-rival-porsches-911-gt2. Net/net nothing concrete--let the thread continue
Ferrari themselves seem to disagree with your view... Also, I stand firm on my position that a Ferrari SUV is not happening.
Well let's see what the big guy lays out in the coming weeks/months. Then we can all have some hot chocolate and marshmallows to discuss. It's all just talk until we see concrete items. But they need to ramp top and bottom line. The 'old Ferrari' is long gone...and it may be tough for some to accept. Welcome to being a public company.
It doesn't to take a genius to work out what Sweater's "5 year plan to double profitability" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-01/ferrari-said-to-plot-utility-vehicle-in-plan-to-double-profit means to the cars. Burying your head in the sand and saying nothing is changing with the car strategy means a hell of a lot of red t-shirts they have to sell, or standalone carbon fibre cup holders at $5k a pop.
I read somewhere that Ferrari is the best performing share in 2018....or somewhere close. I hope Sergio will splash out on a new sweater for 2018,red/red +black /tricolore ? Jazz things up a bit.
And please educate me about the horrors that have befallen Ferrari cars since Marchionne took over. Have we seen a bad Ferrari? A slow one? A sinister driving one? Don't tell me that a 348 has been launched since He took over...
You must have me confused. No doomsday in my book. Major growth and more models, cheaper models (even SUV's)...yes. Have to compete now that people are building better cars (or at least perceived). I love competition and it will finally wake up F car dealers and hopefully the mother ship. I have nothing against sweater man. Hopefully that helps you Zeus.
No thanks. You seem to be (intentionally) missing the point. Past vs future. A little homework on brand dilution is advised. The following keywords maybe useful: production numbers, SUV, exclusivity.
As an HR specialist and a marketeer by training I seem to understand these terms. I see no applicability on Ferrari's case though. Used to teach a relevant course by the way...
'HR Specialist' those are impressive credentials. Unfortunately has zero impact on what Ferrari will be doing in the future. Take care. Back to GTO mumbo jumbo...
Almost a decade ago the Italian fashion industry made the bold move away from “Made In Italy” on certain garments which increased over time. 10 years later the buyers of Gucci, Prada et all don’t really care where the garments are made. It hasn’t dented the prices they are able to charge. In time it is possible that a model such as an SUV may be produced elsewhere than Maranello or even Italy for a variety of reasons. Porsche outsourced production to Magna with no perceptible brand ramifications. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
A cheaper model does not seem to be the right way. Over the last few years Ferrari was always the most profitable car maker of the world (profit per car). A fact. The Ferrari sales figures are controlled by Ferrari, the market is demanding a much higher car output. Important to know is the following statement in BarryK's article: "...will target boosting annual deliveries beyond a self-imposed limit of 10,000 cars, which allows the company to operate with less-stringent fuel-economy rules. ... The business plan poses a risk, as raising annual deliveries to more than 10,000 cars a year would push Ferrari beyond its “small vehicle manufacturer” status, which protects it from some U.S. and European fuel-use and emissions rules." Summary: Ferrari is able to deliver more than 10'000 cars per year without a new product line. Their challenges lies in more efficient production lines and in the laws to be fulfilled if they loose their small vehicle manufacturer-status, the challenge is NOT to have an additional product line. That's why they are currently working on new, more efficient production methods (e.g. modular body systems) and on electrified powertrains. New product lines like the Dino were postponed. Regarding a SUV: what is a SUV? A SUV is a "sport utility vehicle" (a high-performance four-wheel-drive vehicle). Imo with the GTC4Lusso they have per definition already a SUV. However, since this Ferrari 2+2 seater product line is extremely unprofitable (too less revenue, too less sold units), it needs a fundamental overhaul, a future 2+2 seater in the Lambo Urus design seems to be possible. The question will be how to bring this model into their new modular strategy.
IMHO Ferrari should buy Maserati from FCA to combine the low volumes / high margins of Ferrari with higher volume (which always leads to lower margin, but by devoting Maserati to the task of growing the revenue they would preserve Ferrari's margins). Actually Ferrari was once given the control of Maserati when they were under FIAT control (at that time Ferrari-Maserati and FIAT automobile were two "parallel" subsidiaries of the FIAT mother company) but they failed miserably and FIAT put Maserati back into FIAT automobile, they could have a second try now. Back to the 488 - I can't wait to get real information, it should eventually leak in a few weeks from now...
i appreciate "the Sweater man" he is financially clever and made it work that i´m now waiting for my ACR Extreme which should arrive in a couple of days. A lot of other guys would have canceled the Viper thing long ago... What i expect from the 488GTO drivetrain: - A higher rev-limiter. Why F tuned the engine in the 488GTB 500rpm below McL/Ricardos 3.8 or 4.0 (8.200rpm on the LT and 720s, 8.3000rpm on the 570s, )? Robert made a good video regarding the 488GTB rev limiter: - A more turbo like engine. As long it helps for even more power and torque + the raw feelings. In a 288GTO successor i do not expect to have any reduced torque - even if it would help to generate a N/A like feeling... with the ACR and the 991GT3RS i do own suitable N/A Kraftfahrzeuge. and with the rev limiter at 6.500rpm in the ACR i have already such a weired truck set up. - regarding gear ratio i do have no idea what F will do with the 488GTO. just look at the comparison with P: this are different worlds: 488: First Gear Ratio ) : 3.08 Second Gear Ratio ) : 2.19 Third Gear Ratio ) : 1.63 Fourth Gear Ratio ) : 1.29 Fifth Gear Ratio ) : 1.03 Sixth Gear Ratio ) : 0.84 Seventh Gear Ratio ) : 0.69 Final Drive Axle Ratio ) : 5.14 991.1GT3 and RS (i guess also the GT2RS does have the same ratios): First Gear Ratio ) : 3.75 Second Gear Ratio ) : 2.38 Third Gear Ratio ) : 1.72 Fourth Gear Ratio ) : 1.34 Fifth Gear Ratio ) : 1.11 Sixth Gear Ratio ) : 0.96 Seventh Gear Ratio ) : 0.84 Final Drive Axle Ratio ) : 3.97 on top: +5,4% bigger rolling circumference based on wider and bigger wheels on the RS 488GTB: Image Unavailable, Please Login Porsche GTx: Image Unavailable, Please Login (didn´t had the possibility to add a 7th gear in my ****ty calculator...) - will we see 21" rear wheels? will we see 325/30R21 rear tires? - will we see 265mm front tires? Lets better speak about the 488GTB/GTO drivetrain - instead of SUV and Dino...
Again rumors only but I am told its far more track focused and gap to 488GTB in terms of comfort etc is like 360 to 360CS gap
will be easy to create a big gap because the 488GTB is so or so too comfy! hopefully F create the 488GTO in a way that it will be too loud, too stiff, too tough for the streets of Monaco and other downtowns. (which is nearly impossible with todays tech...) can´t wait.
Are you sure the 488 ratios are so short? I cannot check now, but I feel it does not go to 7th as early as an indicated 235 kph (which would be roughly the speed displayed for a real 228 kph).
i took it from here: https://www.caranddriver.com/ferrari/488gtb/specs the ones from Porsche where ok - so i think those 488 ratios are also ok. the final drive for sure is. F played a lot with the gear ratios - to make it feel more N/A / more alive.
