488 GTO ?

Monte Carlo would be terrible...that's the name of a Chevy model.

I figure they should keep the theme going and start whatever word they choose with the letter S. Stradale, Scuderia, Speciale...Superfast?

 

Please dear Motoring Gods from the heavens..... don’t call it ‘Monte Carlo’!?!?!

 

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They won’t be the zenith. In the next few years you will see some surprising runs of cars. The selection criteria will probably be will be run specific depending on the type of car.

 

They can take out the back seat and use the RWD version but keep the V12 and call it the GTB/2 Daytona...
Almost forgot; they can use the roof and rear window from the tdF.

 

It's good fun to second guess the minds at Ferrari and centre Stilo..... However , I think that unforeseen leaps in technology progress may mean that things on the drawing board now for 2 years time may substantively change at a moments ( years notice ).... platforms can be planned , however, I think aero , materials tech and software leaps mean that I doubt Ferrari know the exact outline of cars in 2 years - they are so cutting edge and still small and nimble enough to change tack as required to stimulate the 'vas deferens 'of die-hard tifosi as well as the nay-saysers....

 

What are your areas of criticism with the Ferrari's ergonomics? Other than the standard seats which impose a lack of headroom the comfort and seating position is good once fitted with the carbon buckets - has plenty of room in the foot-well and the cabin feels spacious for it's size. Mac OTOH has a very cramped foot-well which doesn't lend itself to longer distant driving - even 720 surprisingly still has that problem.....may be the downside of the carbon tub....which also isn't that easy to get in and out of...
The standard Mac seats do provide good headroom though even though the electric adjustment controls are impossible to manage due to the ridiculous position.
Not sure if I would ever want Ferrari to follow Macs lead TBH. I would suggest they both take a few leaves out of Porsche's book for sure as their ergonomics and functions are hard to beat.

 

Ok, maybe wording i.e. "ergonomics" was used incorrectly by me. I meant the equipment in the cabin, its ease of use and the UI Interfaces. Mac seem to have adopted touch screen far earlier and their interfaces are very good. Also cabin design makes it easy to access any controls.

 

Then you would be back to the F12 Berlinetta which should be left alone to its part in history.

Respectfully do not agree when it comes to generic design direction and especially powertrains. If you have been watching closely, when the mules go out on the new version set for production in about 1.5 years, the chassis is setup for the VS version. They work this into the release of the basic unit and these are firmed up to hit the final performance envelop. Then they increase the gap in the wheel arch by 4'' and you get the GTB first. Yes you get tweaks in the body aero, but the interior, chassis and powertrain are there within the two year mark. When the common chassis truly become common you will see a lot more of this IMO.

Porsche has been the same to me since pre-WWII so any new style there would cause mayhem! Only the 720s on Mac has any real difference to every other production one they make. Very "unique" (ugly is admittedly harsh) front ends with swirls and flaps and such on every other model. Rears require some level of LSD to figure out. No foot space inside IMO but common with CF shells. If any of them get a relationship with Pininfarina the others instantly will be in serious trouble. Also what's with all that plastic and glue in the Mac? Embarrassing at that price.

Just venting now because no info on the 488VS.

 

Understand. Mac's interfaces and ease of use in comparison to 488's leave 488 wanting, both no match against Porsche's superior functionality though. Ferrari's interfaces need updating to touchscreen as a minimum...

 

Don't disagree. But recently I've received from Ferrari (and assume many others have too) electronic self-completion questionnaires regarding their UI/UX. Given the rapidly increasing "connected cars arms-race"" among car makers, I'm not surprised either. Ferrari has no choice but dramatically raise its game in this area.

 

Thanks. I've not received mine as of yet but will ask about it. It would be great if Ferrari came up to today's standard. It isn't as if they have to invent the wheel to any degree - just replicate what all the cheap car manufacturers provide as standard equipment would be a good starting point. Saying these things are omitted due to a focus on performance and handling is no longer believable.

 

Agreed. There are many great systems in other manufacturer systems Porsche, Mercedes, BMW that Ferrari should be all over the design and user ergonomics of to improve the current offering. My biggest bug bear with the 488 is that the display screen especially for the sat nav needs to be moved to the centre of the dash as it is on other Ferrari models - the way it is right now hidden away in the instrument binnacle visible only to the driver is useless. Adapting the design of the centre console to have a useful usable entertainment and navigation module should be high on the designers lists.

I received recently a rather generic survey questionnaire from Ferrari asking my thoughts on current sat nav systems and comparisons to other cars that I own - so maybe they are already onto this. I gave them several opinions to consider!!


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Actually I totally disagree. The 488 and 812 are sports cars. I don’t want a big satnav screen in the centre of the dash. Audi’s all digital display is a much better solution. What Ferrari really needs a is a refinement of it’s interface. Compared to BMW it’s really crap. Inputting an address for example is really labourious. I don’t know why these manufacturers persist in developing their own satnav systems instead of simply licensing TomTom which has better maps and traffic that actually works!


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About tyres, will the new Sport Cup 2 on 488 VS be practically the same compound of the GT2RS ones? How well will they perform compared to Trofeo R?

 

Exactly what I told them on their survey. Just buy in Tom Tom.

 

I completed my questionnaire shortly after receiving my TDF and I was impressed at the depth of questioning covering all aspects of their UI. In the general comments section I did ask for a standard fitment exhaust valve opening button that is found in Maseratis, Porsches etc - would save me buying/fitting one each time I receive a new F car and it would be completely integrated into the switchgear.

 

or partner with Google/Spotify/Tunein via a SIM as Tesla has - my Tesla X UI system just works so well

 

Spot on, Google maps was my other suggestion.

 

Being a first time Ferrari owner I was both surprised and disappointed just how backward and clumsy the system was for such a late model sports car. 488 and 812 may be sports cars but they need to come up to the standard of the competition.

An entertainment and Nav system needs to be user friendly, conveniently placed and quick to operate on the fly so both driver and passenger have clear view and access. Center console stack is the most logical place. I also think the indicators need to move off the steering wheel onto a stalk.

 

Hmmmm....i think the Audi Video-Game display is a bit too much..it works nicely, also the huge Mercedes one....but to be honest i think the 812 could have done with a Portofino /GTC-like display in the middle...its a "GT" after all

 

I’m with you on this. I wasn’t sure how I would like the 488 style interface with all the info in those pods, but I really love it and have no desire for a big screen to fuss with in the middle of the dash. Especially for climate control. Even ford figured that out and has dedicated controls for the most commonly accessed features.

The Tesla interface is cool and the screen is large enough to leave dedicated spaces for common controls but I’m not excited about that in my 488...

Interface could be improved but please no huge screen...


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I understand where most of the above views are coming from, especially related to the GTs.

However, for me, as I said before, in a pure car like the 488 VS (or a 458 Speciale / F12 TDF, etc.), less is more. I want to be solely focused on the purest driving experience. So, personally, I don't care about their UIs; my Speciale doesn't have a radio. And thus no navi either. And, if I'm allowed to buy one, neither will the 488 VS.

I've got 2 pedals, 2 paddles and a steering wheel as my real UI. That's all I've ever need in a car like that ;-)

 

That's fine for you but it doesn't cover 100% of the customer base. When one's in bumper to bumper traffic
Having the latest UI is a huge benefit .When you hit the open road you can switch all that off and enjoy your car

 

True but then nothing covers 100% of the customer base... at least not on this front!


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