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Discussion in 'Creative Arts' started by jm2, Oct 19, 2012.

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  1. jm2

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    I like the triangulated marker lights in front. Although I don’t now what to call them. DRLs?

    Anyway they imply nicely how the three planes come together. My first thought was that they’re helping the design relate to the real world because that’s how sun might hit an exposed edge. Lightens it

    Quite something how the same triangulated corner light motif shows on the Asian designed unit too, wow, but as a protected fog lamp.

    Also am very much impressed with the long rectangular extension off the spoiler that bisects the rear quarter on the way to becoming the door handle. Here it’s not silly. As opposed to on the production Stinger.

    If these can make it to production without gumming up anything else the they are moving design forward in my opinion.

     
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    Energy88, What you say seems right but I can’t conjure up an example in my head. Have a pic of anything you’re thinking of?

    I like the idea of drawing on architectural influences because imho it relates a vehicle to its surroundings and to permanence.

    Could this design feature make it through to production? Seems a bit more expensive.
     
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    Overall, I like it.

    However, I'm not keen on the separated floating roof at the back though, I like solid-looking C-pillars. It reminds me of a 2009 Citroen DS or recent Nissan Murano with the unfortunate pillar treatments. :oops:


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    Here you go- a couple of quick examples to illustrate the concept I am talking of. Have seen this "perforation" influence particularly on government buildings, embassies, hotels, mosques, apartment buildings, etc.

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6559981811_99ae9d1ebf_b.jpg

    http://www.kln.gov.my/image/image_gallery?uuid=ec73ce44-9d92-471c-b87f-46249604e98a&groupId=33866&t=1470215070221

    https://7f9c61237bd6e732e57e-5fa18836a2ae6b5e7c49abcc89b20237.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/11204751_5-hong-kong-architectural-wonders-that-will_tc7271e12.jpg

    http://kuala-lumpur.attractionsinmalaysia.com/img/photoState/kl/SultanAbdulSamadBuilding/1.jpg

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QAMTNu5Sv2M/V2t74_cyRJI/AAAAAAAAUTw/TDiKTLgIbLEhrgOVnjaFLaVm5B2eX8EjgCJkC/s1600-w400/

    http://kilowatts.com.sg/wp-content/uploads/crown-Hotel.jpg

    https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2017/05/multi-place-house-ekar-architects-architecture-mixed-use-thailand-_dezeen_hero-d.jpg
     
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    Great observations.
    Architecture has long been an influence on vehicle design.
    The use of the intricate patterns is fresh without being 'over the top' IMO. On the Lexus front ends, the patterns are overwhelming.
     
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    That 'floating roof is starting to show up more often than not... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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    Thank you. I thought I had been in the one that ended up being a Malaysian embassy, but I was thinking of a building in Singapore. Which proves your point. I instantly recognized the Dezeen pic too.

    Yes I hope they produce body colored venting with no obvious seams around it. Hope it’s inexpensive enough.
     
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    Tell me this is a bit of an older design I hope.

    Looks like a lot of Mitsu SUV products in the last decade.
    Funny how delicate Japanese and other Asian fine arts can be, but this has comic book flair.

    It’s great if you like it but it doesn’t speak purpose to me or elegance. For me it’s bossy and strong, a little over the top. Is this language where a lot of domestic market SUVs are over there?
     
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    It does look a bit old and derivative.
    It’s one of those designs where you say: ‘well at least it doesn’t suck’
    If that’s the best you can say, that’s not saying much, or worse: ‘that’s nice’.
     
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    in these 250 some pages, have any of the design experts on here opined on the ferrari 812?
     
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    The back is the least popular feature while the front is rather mild. The side view is to some 'tortured' but mostly just poorly executed.
    Still others, think the design and driving dynamics have combined for a dream ride.
    Mixed reviews for the design but the buyers can't get enough of the 812 Superfast.
    Others may be able to give you nuanced details of the design characteristics created by Flavio Manzoni and his talented team of designers.

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    thanks. personally i do not like the 812 at all. i am sure the car is sold out to all those with more dollars than sense, but i think enzo would not be pleased.
     
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    Looks better on dark wheels but the f12 looked better imo, similarly to the 458/488.
    Hope Manzoni can improve with time
     
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    agreed on that.
    the f12 was ok. kind of brutal, but ok.
    the 812 just lacks everything - no curves, nothing sensuous, no elegance, no finesse, just brutal aero for aero, and some kind of 'transformers' look about it.
     
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    Pininfarina's latest:http://autodesignmagazine.com/en/2018/02/pininfarina-un-suv-berlina/
    Vietnamese carmaker VinFast Trading and Production Limited Company has finalized a contract with leading car designer Pininfarina for the development of two cars, an SUV and a sedan. The two models to be developed by Pininfarina are the two most voted designs by Vietnamese consumers in “VinFast car vote contest” launched in October, 2017. After unveiling 20 concept designs submitted by world-famous design houses including Pininfarina, Vinfast asked customers to vote which they thought were both “in line with world trends” and fitting with “Vietnamese tastes and demand”.

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    Hyundai entry for Geneva: The Hyundai Kite will be unveiled at the Geneva International Motor Show 2018. The concept car, developed by the students of Istituto Europeo di Design of Turin is born by the collaboration between the Master in Transportation Design and European Design Center Hyundai. The Hyundai Kite is a two-seat buggy, characterised by light shapes, brush-less electrical propulsion and by the absence of ceiling and doors: with no barriers between the interiors and the exteriors, theconcept car overcomes the idea of a vehicle moving on the road and on the water and becomes a “place” meant for the user experience. Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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    I'm usually reluctant to criticize the work of others, but I'll give you an individual opinion for whatever it's worth.
    I love the work Ferrari Design is doing under Mr. Manzoni. I think they've taken up where Pininfarina has left off. Have they done everything right so far? Probably not, but they're on the right track.

    Having said that, put all the engineering/aero/ performance/handling issues aside and what to make of the aesthetics of the 812?
    Of course the 812 is superlative dynamically. No one would be able to dispute that.
    My personal issue is the execution of the bodyside. The word I used previously was tortured. That might have been too strong a statement, but the bodyside, for me, is just over the top in it's execution. It's a very bold statement. The sagging lower design line looks lazy rather than imparting a sense of tension. The surfacing in the door is quite extreme, no doubt. I'm sure the design team would cite aero as the reason for the bodyside execution, but there are many ways to solve those issues. For my personal tastes, it lacks the 'beauty' that so many Ferrari's posses in that it appears to be trying too hard for it's own sake. The front from the cowl forward in side view takes on a Corvette look........something I'm sure the design team wasn't trying to emulate.

    The front is straightforward and looks good. Likewise the rear looks cohesive and well assembled.

    I'm sure the car is an unbridled success and is sold out. It's just not for me aesthetically. I'll stick with my 488 Spider. But again, that's one person's opinion. Owners probably love the looks. As has been stated a bazillion times, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Whether I happen to like it or not means nothing to the design team nor the owners, and they're the one's that count.
     
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    ^^^ My take: The rear end seems to pay homage to the 308/328 which is classic. However, twin tail lights directly over twin exhaust pipes looks awkward. Pipes in the center would have been cleaner.
     
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    Many of the Pininfarina models done for Ferrari had an almost jewel like aura about them. The lines were simple rather than complex plus the vehicles were typically smaller in size. The modern Ferrari design under Flavio Manzoni has grown in size and complexity.
    It is difficult to be happy with the result for the 812 when the previous design the GTC4Lusso showed such polished elegance. Also that old hallmark of Pininfarina designs; their refinement is on full display with the Lusso. That refinement is perhaps what the 812 lacks by choice. When the two design profiles are compared each stands out at different ends of the design spectrum .

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    This right here is my problem with it. I have a similar problem with many modern cars.
     
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    It is part of the downforce system for the front of the car, from the slots at the top of the fenders, so presumably that's the reason for the shape.
     

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