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Discussion in 'Australia' started by ashsimmonds, Oct 21, 2006.

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  1. IanB

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    being 3 seconds slower might also be involved
     
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  2. greg246

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    fixed
     
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  3. knocker

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    I thought Challenge cars we’re for track only


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  4. moretti

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    355Ch can do both road and track, not 348 or 360 or 430 or 458

    It was an anomaly for Australia only at the time
     
  5. IanB

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    355CH's were a factory kit fitted by the dealer to an already Australian complianced 355. Subsequent models involved more modifications and were delivered as race cars and not able to be complianced.

    From Wikipedia:
    Ferrari F355 Challenge
    In 1995, Ferrari introduced a race-ready F355 Challenge model for use specifically in the Ferrari Challenge.[4] The Ferrari F355 Challenge model was created by starting with a standard Ferrari F355 Berlinetta model and modifying it with a $30,000 factory-to-dealer supplied kit. The initial 1995 cars came with cage mounts factory fitted and carpets removed, each year the cars arrived with more and more race parts factory fitted, culminating in 1998 with full-evolution cars which were supplied as virtually complete race cars though parts such as the rear wing still needed to be fitted.
     
  6. knocker

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  7. IanB

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    It feels like a 100 fricking years, because he never misses an opportunity to tell us all how wonderful it is :)
     
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  8. knocker

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    Haha good things come to good people,ide be proud too I’m shure[emoji12]


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  9. Horse

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    Says it all really.
     
  10. PAP 348

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    Do you remember how big the rotors are front and rear on Satan JM?

    PP might remember if you don't. I have asked in the past, I am curious to know again if possible.
     
  11. ihavearedferrari

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    How many KMS on your car now JM?
     
  12. PAP 348

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    JM drives the wheels off his Ferraris. :D
     
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  13. moretti

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    I had the numbers checked by a broker who tried to buy it off me, the numbers all matched the factory info and they confirmed it is one of 3 RHD challenges made at the factory with the kit fitted by the factory

    The actual records state "factory challenge" , others were just 355s with a kit added by the dealer which is also reflected in the factory info
     
  14. moretti

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    About this big Papster :)

    They are the same brakes on all 4 wheels and if you talk to any 355CH owner the one point they all agree on is the brilliance of the brakes

    QR is notorious for hammering brakes and killing them in a short period on the track, no problems with Satan, it can do it all day long


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  15. moretti

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    57k
     
  16. moretti

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    Also, one of the classic lines I get from "supposedly" knowledgeable Ferrari people is why I put on after market wheels :rolleyes:

    Due to the size of the brakes Speedline made this design for this car


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  17. IanB

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    But the point is that your car could be registered because it had a compliance plate, because the modifications were relatively minor, especially no change to the engine. 360 challenges had many more changes and couldn't be registered. A 355CH wouldn't get near a 360 challenge.
     
  18. IanB

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    from the Fiorano lap times article:

    Ferrari 355 Challenge 1.24.40
    Ferrari 360 Challenge (2003) 1.22.40
     
  19. moretti

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  21. Steve355F1

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    A guy at work has a current model GT3, and even though I’m not a Porsche guy at all I have to admit it looks good and sounds excellent.

    You have to give credit to any manufacturer who’s still making NA engines that rev to 9000rpm.
     
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  22. wrxmike

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    Wikipedia is not accurate
    Of the 270+ 355 Challenge cars relatively few were delivered ex factory with the Challenge kit already fitted, in most cases when one ordered a 355 Challenge it was supplied as a road berlinetta and kit and the concessionaire or dealer that supported the Challenge series in that country fitted the kit before delivery, the owner would typically get all the road car bits that had been removed. As all cars had to be the same to race, it didnt matter how the car started off, just how it ended up.
    The changes to make a 355 Challenge are focused on handling, weight and safety and there are no internal engine changes. The gearbox is the same, except for upgraded shift forks.

    It was also possible to order just the kit if you already had a car and then have it fitted. From 1998 onwards Ferrari introduced the "355 evolution" with upgrades that included the wing. If you had a pre 98 car you could buy the upgrade kit only to take it from a95 spec to a 98 spec, or you could order an entire '98 spec kit. A lot of cars ended up in the 98 spec because it was necessary to be competetive
    Post '97 Berlinetta's were built ex factory with Motronic 5.2, they had also be fitted with the earlier M2.7 to be eligible to race.
    Of the cars supplied in the US, only the early 95/96 cars had a Vin and were eligible to be titled in the US. Later US delivered cars could not be registered in the US for various reasons.
    For a 355c to be even elligible to registered in Australia it had to be initially imported as a road car (ie taxes & duties paid) and then a lot of the race car modifcation reversed to meet ADR's, key ones being removal of roll cage, road legal exhaust & cats, fitting seatbelts and a handbrake. Post 97 cars also had to run M5.2 and airbags to meet ADR's,



    360 Challenges are all purpose built ex factory and LHD , have welded in roll cages, no airbags, plastic windows , can't be legally road registered ( but despite that there are a couple that have been registered)
     
  23. Steve355F1

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    Fixed.
     
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  24. IanB

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    Err, whatever.
     
  25. IanB

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