360 going to be like a 996

I agree with all of that but you do know that the CS has the same “fast steering rack” as the regular 360, right?

 

The 996 turbo is a bargain these days. Great car. Totally under appreciated.

Unlike the 996, I feel like the 360 is well thought of generally.


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Didn’t know that Sherpa. Thought it was enhanced.

 

Only the actual Challenge car has a different rack. The CS, Modena and Spider all share the same part number for the rack. It’s urban legend that the CS has different steering parts and it steers “faster.”

If you took a spin in my manual 360, you would probably ask how to make your CS feel like that. They took the CS 8/10th of how far they should have. It’s takes someone really stupid like me to take it the rest of the way.

 

On the flip side, two different people asked me if my 360 Spider is new yesterday. Nobody’s asking that about 996s.

 

That means the 360 is even more of a bargain for what it is. I can’t imagine it being a faster rack. You really have to pay attention as it is.

 

I immediately filed that under, "Crazy Things Car Salesmen Say."

 

As a lifetime Porsche owner (over 30 years in the PCA) I can tell you the 996 is a very undesirable car among the Porsche enthusiasts. IMS failure is NOT overplayed. It is real and even the tech experts in Panorama (Porsche club magazine) advise that you "plan" on engine work or even an engine replacement at some point. IMO, a horrible model.

I traded my low mileage '95 993 at over three times the value of any 996 model (much newer) when I got my F360 last August. I had the interest of every dealer that had a 360 I was interested in enthusiastically interested in my car as a trade. If it was a 996, probably not-- at any trade in value.

And as for the GT3... not an IMS failure but equally as tragic IMO for their flagship 911 "driver's car"

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/911-gt3-recall-update-porsche-reportedly-replacing-all-engines

For me, I loved my 993 for many years. But even that car cannot hold a candle to the superior HP and handling of the 360. The 360 has soul. The 993, not so much. And the 996,

 

do you know if the challenge rack is plug and play for the CS, Modena, Spider? Like will the universal joint fit the splines on the rack? Will the mounting points line up with the chassis?

 

You need a few different parts and I cannot remember them all offhand. The short answer is that the parts diagrams shows the numbers clearly and yes, it can be done without too much trouble. A worthwhile upgrade.

 

It’s a dumb thing to say, because at the right price, they are very desirable.
They just aren’t necessarily collectible.
I’d say the same for most Porsche’s as well, TBH. Aside from the special models, they’re as pedestrian a sports car can be....right along side corvettes.
I don’t even think of them as under appreciate, more like under utilitized...in the sense that 97% of them will never be driven off the street by the their owners, so all the only way they can do battle with one another, is by citing published specs, which IMO is boring and childish.
I said it before, most of the revered “king of the hill “musclecars from the 60s and 70’s cant keep up with a 360 in any way...yet it hasn’t affected their status.

 

Boring and childish maybe but it proves beyond any reasonable doubt who’s gentleman sausage is larger.

 

That’s a male fallacy promoted by he auto industry.
I’d wager a guy who regularly gets laid by hot babes in a $500. car that can barely do the speed limit, is the guy with the bigger package.

 

well, in addition to the headlight shape the 996 are the most IMS-plagued 911 (the 997 is tied for the first half of its run).

I actually think the analogy is somewhat applicable fwiw (and as far as one can take such things, which is not far). The 993 is viewed as the last classic, air-cooled 911. The 996 the first "modern, water cooled". Akin perhaps to the engine-out aspect of the 355 and the modern 360. The 430 is a stronger, faster, nicer interior version of the 360, akin to the 997 being a stronger, faster, nicer interior version of a 996.

I've owned a 996 and 997 in the past and own a 360 (CS) now. So, I'm not being biased, except by - you know - actual firsthand ownership knowledge.

I "get" the analogy. Its an interesting thought, that's all. I don't think that 355 prices will surpass those of 360's though (as 993 has done to 996). The maint costs are much higher on the 355 and the performance and reliability (for stick shift cars) is marginally better in the 360. A huge part of the price delta from 993 to 996 is the IMS and the air-cooled factor of course. There are no directly similar issues between 355 and 360 (except engine out, which cost wise is comparable to the IMS issue), thus I don't see 355 over-taking 360 in price.

 

Listen, it's a Volvo, it cost me way over $500 ($7k to be exact) and it's the R version so it can do better than the speed limit, okay?

 

not sure where you are or aren't looking at pricing, but there is plenty of crossover in the 355/360 market.

 

Yes I’m sure there is. There is cross over in the 430 and 360 market too.


I was speaking of “like for like” cars of course (spider or coupe, mileage, stick or F1, color, condition, etc).

 

360's have caught up with 430's in my neck of the woods. 355's have overtaken both of them. Including manual 430's.
Seen a few 996's with 997 front ends on them. Big improvement.

 

All I know is this - I saw two gorgeous 360 3-pedal cars at FOW yesterday, and I wanted them. Had I not purchased a 575 a month ago, I very well may have grabbed one.

To my knowledge, there is nothing about the 360 that is reviled by brand loyalists. The slightly slab-sided design, odd headlights and the interior of the 996, along with the oft-mentioned possibility of IMS issues, conspire against what is actually a really good car...so depressed 996 values and a slow market make sense to me.

A lot of 360s were produced, at least by Ferrari standards, so the prices are a little low right now (not on manuals, obviously). That's simply supply and demand. To say they are not wanted is just uninformed BS.

 

My 3-pedal 996 Carrera coupe complements my 3-pedal 360 Spider perfectly. I've used it for in-town errands, daily commuting, backroad-bombing, autocross hooliganism and track-thrashing.

Like most 911s it's a fantastic everyday sports car. Unlike most 911s, the value is just unbeatable.

My 996 by the numbers:

105k miles
30+ track days
~$4k depreciation over seven years
1 perfectly fine (original) IMS bearing
0 regrets for being denied the esteem of the Porsche Elders and car-forum cognoscenti

 

Lol


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Good but most 360 owners would have had $40k appreciation in seven years

Sorry, not making fun of Porsches, I have a 964, but I couldnt resist that one....

 

Not with 105k miles like he has - you would have to pay someone to take a 360 with anything more than 20k miles it seems!

 

So bought it for $20k and now valued at $16?

So you think with 60k miles, a euro car, red, sports seats, stock and 3-pedals I’d have to pay someone to take the car off my hands? Get behind the mile long line...