488 Replacement

Likely they derive it from a double displacement f1 1.6 V6

 

Notwithstanding the actual brand value of “Dino” it is obviously lower than the Ferrari brand. Moreover it would also entail a good amount of financial efforts for relaunching the brand.

However I wonder if they could use the Dino name as a model name designation.

 

If Lamborghini still has the V10 for their basic model next time then Ferrari will not drop their V8 from the 488 replacement program.

 

It should not be called a Dino. A Dino was a completely different brand, like Maserati. What you will get is the 488 replacement with an upgradeable engine. It's not a completely new car or brand like the Dino was.

 

Really 200,000 euro base price is Blue collar ?

 

Surely they can't get 3.2 l from a 1.6 l block/configuration, no?

Do you mean a scale up of the F1 design? Don't forget that a lot of the design of the the F1 engine is imposed by regulations (90 deg V, bore & stroke, materials, etc.) so probably don't want to be tied to those restrictions for a road car... unless you're Mercedes ;-)

 

Yeah, sort of a scaling up with more common materials, lower redline, lower pressure boost and double displacement, they can arrange in 60 or 90 degrees, depending on what they want. It has been told it's brand new engine, not GiuliaQV derived..so can be really interesting. I think not an f1 engine made road legal, but more a new v6 f1 inspired, just bigger.

 

If Ferrari chooses to continue to increase and dazzle us with more horsepower, I think it will be hard to do it without some sort of hybrid.

The naturally aspirated V8 engine peaked and went out of production with the Speciale, at 605 horsepower.

The Pista is bound to boast some 720 horsepower.

To reach the next level, I believe we'll have some sort of electric motor supporting the internal combustion engine. It also makes sense from a production standpoint, as the technology not only is already in use (LaFerrari, Formula One car), but it continues to be heralded as the future of motoring.

Also interesting: the design course Ferrari will take. We've been talking almost exclusively about engines, but Ferrari has only recently departed from the company of Pininfarina. I for one think Ferrari Centro Stile has been doing a great job, but for all intents and purposes in my humble opinion, they've been building on the latest Pininfarina blueprints, tweaking them slightly, and evolving from them. We're yet to witness a complete design revolution at Ferrari (like the one that happened for instance from the F430 to the 458) without Pininfarina

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

I'm wondering how you can handle 800 Hp or even 963 Hp (...) on open roads with just the RWD. A track is a thing, a common road is completely another. Hybrid cars are an opportunity to have a 4WD without the usually full of problems 4x4 scheme. I think that Porsche 918 and Honda NSX showed how all the supercars will be in the future.

The NSX is ugly, but the tech is top level: an "Italian version" of that car (or an Italian-German and an Eglish version...), improved (a lot) as design and (a bit) as power and weight, could be the standard supercars scheme in the future.


ciao

 

I'm surprised this didn't happen already.

~800hp hybrid TT, I could see them going AWD. Enough of the 4's, model will be called 508 or 518. Design should be much different than 458/488

 

Also interesting: the design course Ferrari will take. We've been talking almost exclusively about engines, but Ferrari has only recently departed from the company of Pininfarina. I for one think Ferrari Centro Stile has been doing a great job, but for all intents and purposes in my humble opinion, they've been building on the latest Pininfarina blueprints, tweaking them slightly, and evolving from them. We're yet to witness a complete design revolution at Ferrari (like the one that happened for instance from the F430 to the 458) without Pininfarina

Kind regards,

Nuno.[/QUOTE]


So true. The Centro Stile Ferrari has shown that it has good design instincts, but the demands of a "clean-sheet" project will tell whether Ferrari lovers will wistfully look back at Pininfarina's many landmark designs, or embrace the new look of the in-house designers.
Fred

 

LaF and now Portofino are both clean sheet designs by the Ferrari design center, i.e., not using structural elements from a Pinin designed car. In fact, even the limited J50, though based on the 488 can be considered a new design since it doesn't use the 488 green house and all new doors.

 

Portofino is a car with 3 pieces of others cars...It s really a bad design !

 

Many would beg to differ.

 

It's a very different philosophy: the Portofino is a GT, the 488 is a full blown supersports car. Design of course keeps up with this sectioning of the market.

I actually find the Portofino charming, and in terms of design one HUGE improvement over the California, which is the model against we should compare it, imho.

For sure the Portofino design is inspired by several factors, including other cars currently in the Ferrari line-up, but I don't think that's a drawback. Be inspired by another car in the line-up is a sign of an era, Ferrari and several other brands did it. I don't see a "copy-paste" approach while designers sketched the Portofino. It has sufficient identity and sovereignty in terms of design, imho.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

Which doesn't bode well for the 488 replacement!!! Too much evolution and not enough revolution. Rob thinks it's a tweaked California.
LdM wanted a revolutionary design for the California replacement. However I think they backed off from a more aggressive design at the last minute, after he left the building.
It remains to be seen how far 'out there' Ferrari Design wants to push the current limits. Mr Manzoni is a slave to aero fashion these days. Still when given a chance, the Pista certainly righted some wrongs...

 

If the Laf was "clean sheet" design then how do you explain this PF entry into the open competition Laf design proudly displayed in the Ferrari museum?

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The Portofino is also a mish-mash of prior PF design elements with some other in-house thrown together. Quite unsettling IMO.

Clean sheet will be displayed with the new modular platform so we can judge their style without influence.

 

Although I like what they´ve been doing lately, Ferrari´s own design crew is still using Pininfarina´s design language seen in the 458, F12 and FF. Let´s see what they can do when the current line gets old fashioned and they have to invent something new.

 

The Pinin entry in the LaF competition was just that, a design proposal that was not retained against the independent Ferrari design center proposal, which was based on the "tensostruttura" concept.

The Laf, like the Portofino, was styled on a brand new platform, the Portofino being the new aluminum "modular" platform.

 

The J50 is one of my favourites.

 

There were nine or ten entries for the design study for the F150 weren't there? Five were down selected into models - two from PF and three from Ferrari. It's very fair to say that a lot was learned by the entries although the in-house Tensostruttura and Manta moved forward. It was a study and in a study you pick things up and decide which details work better. In this respect, I do not see it as a clean sheet as other studios revealed similar concepts.

The clean sheet will undoubtedly be coming out pretty soon. I hope it looks more like a PF than an 812 version of a PF. I think they will do fine if they don't go the Lambo route or back to the flaps and gills. If the Portofino is the shape of things to come then not so optimistic.