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1974 Dino 308 GT4 camshaft covers.

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  1. expeatfarmer

    expeatfarmer Karting

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    My car has two different types of plug lead seals into the cam covers, the front bank are rubber ribbed cups that locate into the alloy cover, the rear bank has rubber cups that locate over steel tubes in the cam cover. looking at my parts books I can't see the former as an option but see that both types are available from Superformance. Are the metal tubes removable so that I can standardise? Is there a reason why this would be done? My suspicion is that one of the cam covers has been replaced with a later type. The rear bank cover features 1,2,3,4 cast against the appropriate plug hole ,the front bank is also labelled 1,2,3,4 is that correct as opposed to being labelled 5,6,7,8 ?
     
  2. yelcab

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    1-2-3-4 on both valve covers are what you suppose to have.
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

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    More likely, the cylinder head and the camcover have been replaced (putting a camcover on a cyl. head that it wasn't born with is more difficult work).
     
  4. expeatfarmer

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    Can the tubes be removed from one cover or new ones fitted to the other to standardise ?
     
  5. Steve Magnusson

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    #5 Steve Magnusson, Mar 3, 2018
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    I don't have any exact information for doing such an upgrade, but after reviewing the cross-section drawing of the early design in the 308GT4WSM engine section and from the illustration of the later "tube" piece in the SPCs, I wouldn't be too hopeful, and, if even possible, it would require some machining of the cylinder head casting and the camcover so it would be less work to find another late-style head and camcover assembly IMO.

    On the early design, if there's an oil leak between the cam cover and the cyl. head at the joint near the spark plug = very likely the spark plug hole fills with oil = not so good for the ignition process and runability.

    On the later design, an oil leak in the same area is much more benign, and would probably go unnoticed until the rubber boot was removed.

    Also, the early "seal" is a complicated form, and not sure how they handled the venting. Sometimes having fewer complicated parts is not better than just using more, but more simple, parts. In a way, the later design is the design that Chrysler used in the 1950's on their Hemi engines - F should've copied that design from the start ;). Just all speculation on my part so proceed at your own risk, but would always be interested in hearing about your "project" if you proceed.
     
  6. Martin308GTB

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    The tubes are pressed into the heads and are not part of the covers.
    One more reason, why I agree wih Steve. Seems, that the head was replaced with a later one in the past.

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  7. expeatfarmer

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    I think I will leave well alone and replace like with like on each bank, all part of the car's history and mystery as to why the head was changed.
     
  8. expeatfarmer

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    I spent a few hours yesterday reading through all the detailed invoices that came with the car for repair work and servicing. I was looking for any clues as to why the head /cam cover may have been changed. A lot of work was carried out by Rosneath Engineering. It would appear that on at least three occasions the distributors have been stripped to repair sticking mechanical advance particularly on the front bank. Is there a specific cause of this problem ?
     
  9. absostone

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    no clue. Hang in there!
     
  10. kiwiokie

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    Wrong grease used on the springs and weights maybe? Not much to go wrong there.
     
  11. expeatfarmer

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    Taking the sound advice of forum members I have now removed the cam covers whilst the engine is out to check valve clearances. I have found that the rear cam cover was once painted black. Presumably this was cleaned off when the front head was changed. My question is if I was to reinstate the black, should it be a crackle finish and would the engine steady bracket casting be similarly treated or left as alloy finish?
     
  12. absostone

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    From what I know cam covers are are aluminum but I sprayed mine with Wurth alu-zinc. The steady racket is black
     
  13. expeatfarmer

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    Quite reassuring to find that when I removed cam covers with timing set at TDC for no,1 all of the camshaft register marks were perfectly aligned. When so many people over the years have replaced belts and literally left their marks, I decided to go by the book and mark and lock up as I thought was right.
     
  14. 4redude

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    There was a Service Bulletin pertaining to changing from the early type boots to the later type.
     

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  15. expeatfarmer

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    Thank you for that , I wonder where all the swarf went if the spark plug was taken out? It must have been fun milling out the front bank with engine in situ. Was water around the plugs such an issue that they came up with a retro mod.?
     
  16. Martin308GTB

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    The spindle of the tool assembly will replace the spark plug and therefore seal the plug hole. Plus there's an additional seal to catch the chips.

    Good luck sourcing the tools :)

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  17. expeatfarmer

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    Somebody will have them somewhere along with some inserts but I would think it could be a long search.
     

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