Yep. Tried to tell him to cut back on the Tide pods
That’s questionable. It out performs the Performante marginally on some tracks . On other tracks the Performante out performs the 720. I haven’t seen comparisons between the NEW GT2 RS and the 720 but I’d highly doubt the 720 will outperform the Porsche on MOST tracks. Hell, the new GT3 which is down on hp by 200-300hp compared to the 720 (according to dyno) has come within 0.5 sec of the 720 on SOME tracks (not most). I realize the 720 isn’t as track focused but it sure seems to be focused on performance in general. The Mclaren community sure has no problem pointing out its superior acceleration and performance to everyone. So I think it’s fair to compare it to other currently available cars that are street legal and WAY DOWN on hp despite them being more track focused. If you want to argue tires and track focus I can argue major weight and hp advantage for the 720.
GT3 will do fine on short tracks where speed is only part of the equation. .5 sec is alot in racing btw.
I’ve been racing cars for 15 years . Although I’m no pro I’m not new to the sport . So , 0.5 sec can be significant DEPENDING ON THE TRACK. On the Nurburgring for example it’s not that significant.
Clearly .5 second on a track that takes on average 7 minutes to complete is insignificant. On the other hand, on a track that can be lapped in under a minute, .5 second is not hugely important but it is not trivial. Since everyone seems to offer an opinion on aesthetics, I will profer mine. To my eyes and sensibilities, the 720S is a unique approach to automotive design that is successful in its goals from virtually every angle except the front. The main problem here is that the light cut outs which includes the intake vent is too large and therefore out of proportion with the predominately sleek approach evident elsewhere. This could be an easy fix for the factory in a future update. Otherwise, based purely on appearance, my verdict is that I would be proud to have it inhabit my garage. The new Pista is a major improvement over the 488 which while still an attractive car had two major failings- the front was too boxy and clumsy looking and the side intake vent breaks the flow of the lines. The car while elegant ,lacked the edge required in a super car. The Pista is a major aesthetic improvement in the front and rear. The former looks sleeker and more interesting while the rear takes on an agressive yet still congruent feel to the rest of the car. The side intake's lack of integration has been somewhat mitigated by the black cross support. Aesthetically, the Pista represents a significant improvement over the 488.
Agree with above except : 1. Not loving the 720 from a side perspective either. The front fender piece looks out of place and ruins the flow imo. I do like the back of the car very much.
Well it had already outperformend the performante on normal street tyrs vs performante on trofeo (big willow by i think 1,5 secs) And your statement vs the 488 gtb is just non sense. Bet you havent driven both on tracks.. Or just ask Robert Mitchell tracking both on the nordschleife... What you want more, base car of the superseries is performing on road tyres better than the performante on trofeos.. Lucky i am, having the Gt2rs incoming as well so i can compare unbiased those 2 cars very soon. And they will be driven both on track.
It might not have been clear, but what I meant is that to outperform the 488 GTB, the 720S relies on a lot more power. I do not see that as nonsense - unless the 720S does not have much more power than the 488 GTB, which I personnally would rate as nonsense Btw the times for Willow Spring (about the only track where the 720S has achieved a better time than the Performante) are 1'21.75 and 1'22.53, which is actually less than 1s difference.
Well it outperfomnce the performante on normal street tyres wihle latest is on trofeo.. It lost on Aneau de rhin against the preformante on a really narow circuit whilst still on street tyres. to my books the trofeo latest generation is 1,5 sec faster (on a 1 min track) than the normal pirelli on the 720s. Funny thing on my upcoming Gt2 Rs the magic tyre from Michelin (used in the laprecord) is not yet available for public, so therefore a „normal Michelin“ tyre will be delivered with the car...
And see that is incorect the 720s is 7 sec faster on the nordschleife than the 488gtb, despite beeing on an normal street tyre. Nordschleife is a fast track but power advantage is not the big thing, mechanical grip and aero count a lot.. therefore a Gt3 Rs manthey is faster than the 488. You should go out there for a few laps and would realise what i am speaking about
thank you, but the tyres are a let down. Porsche was so hardly advertising the 6:47 on the Nos, and now you cant even get the car with this sepcific tyre... It is for sure a great car with lot of fun on the track, far above my limits.. but what is worth a certain time, when customs cars dont get equiped with the right tyre.
I'm not a keyboard warrior or an anlayzer of youtube videos.... gt3.2 is not in same class as 720 or performante. Same pro driver/different days at thunderhill raceway with customer cars bone stock (720s is mine and performante is my brother in law and driver is our coach). He tracked performante for 3 sessions and this is the times from the timing transponder of his fastest laps in his fastest session (1:53.753). He was satisfied that this is what he could get out of the performante.. He drove 720s for one session (never drove it before) and his best lap time was 1:51.692 which is the lap record for stock street car. He felt there is two seconds left on the table. The lap times is from 720s telemetry system. Stock GT3.2 doesn't come close to either. Performante and 720s are the fastest street cars out there right now and gt2 will join the party soon. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Again it depends on the track . I agree the Gt3 is in a different class but it ran a 7:12 stock on the Nurburgring. That’s faster than the 488GTB and I’ve yet to see a time for the 720 on the Ring. On another note , I did get an allocation for the 488 Pista. I’m hopeful it’ll be faster than all the above.
I dont see a Pista matching the 720. I have a Performante Spider incoming and may also get a Pista. I really don’t like the 911 versions as just too much “same old” for my preference. When prices come down I’ll detune and go for a F12 TDF and perhaps an F40/50 and relagete myself to being left behind on the track but loving every moment even more!
Bringing perspective into the discussion is not a "religious war". 720's performance numbers are amazing but beyond that their are many obvious vulnerabilities. Gt3.2 does not have 720's numbers - no secret there - but delivers a superior driving experience and will no doubt prove more reliable than any Mac period. The future long term price stability for .2Gt3 ? Well Gt3.2 has a better engine, airo, and a manual box than the 911R and is the last of the NA Gt3 cars. Go figure. Pista, 488, Gt3.2, Performante, Gt2 and others don't need to beat 720's numbers anyway because they are all better looking, deliver a superior driving experiences amongst other things. 720's design is controversial. Once its hideous face is fixed then what ? 720's superior number game is fast coming to term, so what else does it have going for it? A questionable appearance? A bland sound and, driving experience? Certainly doesn't have a good history as being a safe bet financially. Doubt it will prove a car worth owning outside of the warranty period unless its very cheap.
Hmm, let us be fair an objective. I dare say for a (brand neutral) sports car enthusiast a McLaren has so many characteristics to offer, in its entireness a McLaren is simply a leading high technology masterpiece. A product reduced to the essentials, extremely powerful, light, stiff and very precise and nimble to drive. It would be a real loss for the sports car world if the McLaren products would not exist! I can not understand how emotionally and digital certain people do take fronts. I also wrote the 720S has an ugly face, yes, McLaren has obviously a small problem in finding a nice and sustainable design language. The principle of "form follows function" does not always lead to success, certainly not in such emotional products. IMO with the P1, 650S and 675LT they were on the right track. But do not have all brands such a challenge from time to time? Let us be honest, not every Ferrari is a feast for the eyes. Probably I would buy once also a 720S, far too strong are the technological and driving dynamics characteristics. And now the Pista, sh**, the current market offer is simply to big... (good times!)
I agree with most you say redcaruser but let us keep it in context to my points of criticism as I believe they are fair and reasonable. I would never suggest to extinguish Mac or any brand. Nothing is perfect. But with Mac it is what it is at the moment and let us not forget that.
If aesthetics was the sole criterian by which to judge a car, I would not hesitate for a moment to pick the 720S over any current Porsche. Not even close.
Agree the 720 is more exotic looking but it’s also a complete mess up front and questionable at best from the side view. The Porsche is rather generic looking as the 911 design has been around forever. With that said the 911 (especially the GT series) is clean looking , it flows perfectly and although similar to 911s from years ago to noncar people the new 911 GT2, GT3 and GT3 RS is a culmination of years of perfecting a car. Not to mention it’s one of the best built cars in the world and it provides a superior driving experience from the 720. So although not as exotic I still find the Porsche a beautiful car. The 720 is also in a different class than the Gt3 but I’d take a Gt2 Rs over a 720 ANYDAY .
I have owned over a dozen Porsches over the last 20 years. Boredom eventually set in both from a driving perspective and the monotony of the aesthetics.
The 458/488 are both more exciting than any Porsche ( including the GT3 and RS series- cannot comment on the new GT2/RS) in all aspects.
How you come to this conclusion. Nor my 991.1 Gt3rs, 997 Gt2 or the upcoming 991 Gt2Rs have the perfect feel and feedback of the steering wheel of my 675lt and of the 720s. Seating position is not as good as in the Lt, the 997 Gt2 is close, but the 991.1 Gt3 Rs and 991 Gt2 Rs are worse. Suspension in the Porsche cars dont feel as refined as in the Lt, nor in the 720s Some times reading those coments here i am asking myself do those people really owne and use the cars on track, as i do. My expirience with my cars are quit a bite different. I use my cars mostly on track
That particular 720 has been victorious over 1000 HP tuned Lambos, so he either is a driving god, or that car is tuned; I believe the latter. Regarding the 991, you can't know how much power it had. An F12 is easily quicker than a stock Turbo.
On most tracks the Performante is quicker than the 720. Okay, it has those fantastic Pirellis which give a lot of time, but it is also much less powerful. http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel6639-6633.htm
