Is a Lusso actually saleable second hand? I imagine there would have to be a severe beating involved.
There's one currently available for 80k under list but that number will fall within a short frame of time
Has anyone in the US accepted an allocation and a lusso hasn't been asked? Sent from my BBB100-3 using Tapatalk
I passed on my allocation but never did a lusso come up or anything else. That being said I bought an FF when I was in the running for LaF and I had to take a Cali T for my tdf allocation. Sent from my BBB100-3 using Tapatalk
I think the question has to be; Has anyone been offered a pista allocation In the USA who hasn’t bought a Cali t, ff, lusso, or currently involved In Ferrari challenge program or connected to major shareholders in Ferrari, important employee in a parts company or connected to a sponsor of Ferrari race teams
I'm not a convertible guy but yes I'd take an aperta or even better the SE pista! Sent from my BBB100-3 using Tapatalk
Seems to be a car that can only be resold back through a Ferrari dealer as a trade - that way the car can be used as a bait again for someone who happens to want something else - and so it continues on until such point the dealer runs out of victims, where at that point they ship it back to the factory for recycling to hide the fact the car has such dreadful depreciation. I just don't get why anyone would buy something they really don't want or need just to get something they do. All that does is set a pattern for the dealer to build on and abuse.....which is what's happening. As a newbie to the brand, hearing about these ridiculous stories and shenanigans about buyers taking these cars just to get what they want is just desperation gone mad. No wonder the dealers are pulling these buyers on for size all the time - they asked for it!!
It's because everything else sucks. There is no substitute for how a Ferrari makes some of us feel. Porsche, McLaren, - I'd rather drive 500 abarth or my range rover. Sent from my BBB100-3 using Tapatalk
I do get that, but if all Ferrari buyers boycotted against this then Ferrari will be forced to come to the table and dispose of their own mistakes without using customers as loss bunnies. An option for Ferrari would be to rebadge the lusso as a sangyong or something like that and offload them at a price through other channels to recover their tooling costs. Just yank the V12 out and put something else in place.
If has only become a big word as a consequence of buyers bending over all the time. Some just need to refrain from doing that - man up a little and stand one's ground for a change. Fancy having to take a Lusso to get a Pista.... I don't know if to laugh or cry.
Yes. But the customer owns over a dozen new Ferraris and participates in the Ferrari Challenge and Corse Clienti.
Totally agree, when you get anything else you will take a beating on depreciation anyway. Plus there is always someone that does want the other models or willing to pay to not wait for the second market or allocation.
Sorry but that just sounds like an attempt to justify being put over a barrel rather than deal with the core issue by saying no to being a loss bunny. Also where all these used Lusso buyers?? The ones here haven't shifted since forever. The used Lusso market is clearly tiny (if at all) in comparison to the used Mac market. Id take the saving on a used Mac all day long over any Lusso luxo barge. Porsche don't come into this equation - their used market is generally very strong in comparison - far less depreciation as well.
If you pay attention then you'll see that people who actually buy the new ferrari's very rarely talk about depreciation or lack of it because they can see the big picture and that they have to add the losses with the gains (in the States anyways). This isn't a new issue about buying one severely loss making vehicle to get a less loss making vehicle. The person who was supposed to take the very first TDF in my area either backed away from the car or dealer decided not to give it to him. Long story short, I was offered that car at MSRP with a purchase of a high spec Cali T sitting on the floor ($290K) and an FF (choice of 3 of them sitting on the floor). All four cars brand new with owners that either backed away or no owner assigned to them initially. Anyways; I told them that this was going to cause logistical issues for me (ie., garage space, etc.) and if I could just lease them and let them stay at the dealer and they could try to sell them. They told me that they used to allow that to happen but it got so bad at one point that the dealer floor was littered with Cali T's and FF's that people didn't bring home and that were for sale.
I've been thinking a lot about this recently. If you want a GT2RS from Porsche and they are demanding on average 150k markup. For that you get..... Wait for it..... A GT2RS. At Ferrari, you may in the net pay the same thing but at least you get to play in a couple new cars in the meantime. Maybe they are not your ideal car but it's better than pissing away the money for nothing to a Porsche dealer who by the way, will give you NO loyalty, even after you've bought half a dozen cars from them and they will sell your car out from under you to the highest bidder. A lusso is actually a really nice car and while it may not be your cup of tea, it is still a true Ferrari. The reality is also, the dealer won't get as many allocations for a Pista say unless they move the Cali/lusso/Portofino so they rely on those that want the limited car to help them get more from Maranello by forcing them to buy the volume cars. I really prefer the way Ferrari handles it compared to Porsche.
Your account makes for a very sad story indeed - I had no idea this level of extortion was going on - I guess welcome to the world of Ferrari eh? I just wonder where these shenanigans all started and who was responsible. This all couldn't have started out of nowhere! There MUST have been a real bunny somewhere early in the piece to where a competition begun amongst dealers to find an even bigger one...and so the story continues... Therefore, I do understand dealers using all means available to acquire a larger allocation of cars such as Pista, trying those on for size who are most likely to accept/afford the collateral losses associated to buying lusso's and the likes. Thank god I've never been asked. In our market we pay so much as it is and there would be far fewer loss bunnies available to choose from.
I too am extremely frustrated with having the ability to get a Pista. I have only owned four (4) Ferrari’s (360 spider, Scuderia, 458 and now a 488gtb that was ordered and delivered). I have been extremely loyal to the brand to the fact that I was offered a Lambo Performante at the same price as my 488 gtb, just to see if they could get me to switch from Ferrari to Lambo, it was an inside bet (LOL). I decided to get the 488. What do you all think of the following CONCEPT: I realize that most of the limited cars seem to go to the same people, which makes no sense to me. As an example; I am sure that the guys that have a LaFerrari will get this car, or at least offered to them, while they do get them, drive them to a couple of cars and coffee and then they go into a warehouse and then a person like me (and this is my 4th ferrari) will have to pay over MSRP and a premium to get one. I have an idea and would love to know your thoughts, or maybe you can share the concept with Ferrari North America. … there is a list that would qualify you for a car. … the list would have boxes that get checked for various conditions … each box checked gets you a ticket (like a lottery ticket) and therefore the more tickets; the better chance of winning a slot for a car ... then the tickets go into a hat and at an event. … anyone that has a ticket…. … gets invited and is eligible to win a slot for a car … whomever has the winning ticket or tickets … gets a car / simple and fair
This is true and mainly because Porsche mass produces the majority of their cars and they have to discount. More than 30,000 911's per year alone - pedestrian. They can only add margin to the limited cars and do while they can. Ferrari sells every new car at list, even Lusso's and Cali's. They make good margins on their new cars as well as used. It does seem however that things are changing. I am hearing more and more people drop their spot for the Pista if they have to buy another car at list. As nice as the Pista is to look at and the numbers are impressive I am not sure that that most feel it is worth getting bent over by the dealer or whomever. I also dont believe the Pista will garner the attention of the Speciale which IMO is an 11.
