I've noticedThey should stop calling you Mr Oblivious.
So what? It’s just another aspect of the car. No different to colour, gearbox, body style etc. Certain less desirable colours could be said to alienate many buyers. Same with having a manual gearbox or being a hot-rod. All of these things could put off potential buyers. As Greg says, if the ad is clear and the car is priced according to the market, where it was delivered becomes irrelevant. Of course, there will always be the hard-core wanker who even though they’re not interested in the car will still call anyway, but that’s life.
And you keep ignoring everyone else’s actual experience and only consider your own. I just feel sorry for people who end up paying more money for inferior, slower cars in a spec they didn’t really want based on poor information masquerading as expert advice.
PROPER enthusiasts of the marque will always look for the Aussie delivered,manual(if it's applicable to the model),full books and tools. This is relative to mostly pre 1990 models. Post that period you have mass market produced cars (of which I don't have an interest....my choice) that have lost their.....exclusiveness/engagement in driving/quirks (quite a few) and styling. I didn't know the above until after I'd bought my 365 (my first),I soon learnt how important it is IF YOU ARE AN ENTHUSIAST and aren't in it for a quick flick (which is Greg's persona.....have a look at his recent,8 years,history) and are intending to be a long term enthusiast owner. When I sold my 330 I cried for a bloody long time,knowing that I'd never be able to afford another Enzo era car,let alone Aussie delivered,as it was a Melbourne bought tourist delivered (factory pickup). .02c.
As a possible indicator to values watch these 3 going off Saturday,2x LHD,1 x RHD. https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=8138&lid=1362060 https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=8138&lid=1370270 https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=8138&lid=1365907
Oh, what a load of BS. Define “Proper” FYI I had the 246 for 10 years, 365 BB for 7 years, not long term enough? C4 for almost 5 years. 575 for 3 now and not for sale I have been a Ferrari enthusiast since I was 10, heard all the stories re Aussie delivered well before I bought one. The UK thing is not important to me. I bought the 246 as it was the best available at the time. Paid a record price at the time for a completely restored car. Gee, if only it was Aussie delivered The BB I bought from the same owner later, because I always wanted one and was fascinated by this particular cars history i.e. first owner David Piper, also owned by Ben Lexcen. C4s are as rare as the proverbial and I bought the first one I could get my hands on FFS Has not been Australian Delivered affected my ownership experience? No ****ing way. I’m not in it for the quick flick either. The cars I sell leave my hands in better condition than I bought them. I move them on when the time is right and buy another because I am a true enthusiast and wish to experience all the Marque has to offer. Pffft
Not to mention, who gives a flying **** anyway? Everything I’ve heard suggest Enzo didn’t give a crap about the road cars other than that they financed the race cars. They were a necessary evil. “Enzo era cars” = proper enthusiast cars? Pfffffffttt... Utter BS.
Greg,you buy and sell more cars than Harvey Norman sells toasters,whether they're Ferrari or any other brand. Prior to the 365 i didn't know you. The 365 you got stung with as has been notated here. The fact you got out of it for what you realised, was exactly the same time i was forced to sell my 330....when the price had started to go nuts for,predominantly,Enzo era cars. A couple of other Fchatters also benefited from this phenomena....I could name but won't. Going back to your BB,well obviously if a car,any brand,has serious history,it's going to attract a premium,I wouldn't have baulked,if offered that verses an 'ordinary' history Aussie car....who wouldn't. Pffffft.
Hmmmmm. Interesting.... “In 1969 (Enzo) Ferrari sold 50% of his company to FIAT, with the caveat that he would remain 100% in control of the racing activities (only). In 1988 FIAT's holding rose to 90%. Following the agreement with FIAT, Ferrari stepped down as managing director of the road car division in 1971.” So, in summary, any road car after 1969 is not an “Enzo era” Ferrari, and is actually a FIAT, and therefore not the choice of the proper enthusiast. Certainly, nothing after 1971 is.... LOL!!
............and... Enzo era cars are generally regarded as those designed prior to his demise,IMO,and not including bucketloads of Fiat imput. I'm happy for informed comment.
But the thing is, Simon, if you try to tell someone who happens to own and like Ferraris that were built after Enzo’s demise that they aren’t a proper enthusiast, you’re going to run into problems. Imagine telling someone who owns and loves ‘70s and ‘80s Ferraris that they aren’t proper enthusiasts because those cars were designed after 1969 (or 1971) and his deal with FIAT. They’d probably be a bit peed off. I mean, really, is a Mondial or a 400 more of a “proper enthusiasts” car than a 355, 456, 458, 575 etc. just because Enzo happened to be alive at the point it came out? I say bollocks to that. Enzo didn’t give a crap about the road cars at any point after 1971 (and probably not before, apart from on the balance sheet), as far as I can tell.
Enzo told me that my car was his all time favourite. See, anyone can say anything. Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
Feel free to actually argue my point, rather than carrying on being a boring troll. An ad could say “yellow, green, blue, manual, F1, automatic, Spider, hot-rod, UK delivered, owned by Shane Warne”, and so on. Any one of which might put some potential buyers off. Non-Aussie delivered is just one of those. You want to put extra emphasis on it because it suits your personal experience. That’s ok, but you should also acknowledge other people’s personal experience.
