FORMULA 1 2018 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX: QUALIFYING *** SPOILERS ***

Seemed like RAI beat VET to me today.

 

Sure wouldn’t have been Elton without ‘cheat mode’ we know from the press conference


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Yah I have to say that was strange. Why did Hamilton say he didn't use Party mode and Wolff come right back and say he did? Maybe Wolff wanted to give credit to Merc and not Hamilton for the 6/10th's lead????

 

If Vettel won pole by .6, would you say Ferrari has the most powerful Qualy mode and was not Vettels skill? This is just a honest question, i'm not trying to cause contreversy

 

The controversy is not that one team has a 6/10ths lead

The controversy is Mercedes sandbagged for the last 2 months and then decided it needed to unleash the beast.

 

Isn’t that just called sour grapes. Merc haven’t done anything wrong. They’ve just delivered a monster package and slam dunked everyone... yet again.

 

Not at all, we know Mercedes is the most complete package of car, all the teams publicly agree that since this current regime started, they have been streaks ahead of everyone. Their engine mode for qualy has been around all through it, and it’s no surprise to anyone that it remains the best car - the rest are playing catch up, badly. If Vettel had gotten pole, it would’ve meant ferrari had finally answered the call to catch up, nothing more. They have never claimed to have a ‘party mode’

 

Maybe he is getting tired of elton taking all the credit when it goes right, and dumping the blame entirely on the team when it doesn’t.

 

So basically the conclusion i'm getting is, driver skill is out of the window in F1. The credit goes to the teams with the best "party modes". Senna, Alonso, Schumacher, Vettel, championships was not because of there skill but their team technical developments

 

Up until 2009 or so, drivers played a massive part. Since then, driver involvement is way down the list. The most important part is the car. Otherwise, how do you explain rosberg?, all you Elton fans say he’s ****, yet he beat Elton, and ran him close twice losing out to
Team orders and mechanical failures


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No. It's borderline cheating. In any event it's unsportsmanlike behavior.

 

You cannot compare one era of F1 to this current era of F1. Back in those years of Senna, Alonso, Schumi there was more driver input plus most came from backmarker teams and put pts in those backmarker teams. Along with unlimited testing, including the Vettel era, the playing field was pretty much even with the NA/ATMO/ICE platform.

This current era is entirely different. Todays cars have anywhere from 200 to 400 sensors in the car to which all this data is being streamed live in the pits and HQ via satellite at 500GB per second. They have data dumps of each tracks turn down to yaw, pitch, g-loads and so forth.

Yes, Lewis got in at the right place at the right time.....hats off to him. But in todays formula, it's really the car and all the "techies" behind it.....Lewis just drives it with skill and talent...but it's not mindboggling.

Notice how some of the veterans here talk of Mercedes and not Lewis when describing the W09's and its variants achievements.

that's my 2 cents.

 

Don't kid yourself, F1 has been pretty much the same through the years, why do you think Senna didnt win any championships until he got with top team Mclaren Honda- when honda was at the height of engine tech. How is driver involvement way down the list? I read somewhere Hartley had to read a 50 page manual for the steering wheel alone when he came to Torro Rosso. More technical workload for the drivers nowadays
I never said Rosberg was bad.

 

Nobody blames Mercedes for doing everything right....most of us blame the FIA to come up with rules that make this possible and prevent others from closing the gap...
We had dominant teams in the past (McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull) but at that time between every race the others had the honest possibility to improve and find at least part of the time they are behind. Nowadays the others can´t as they are unable to test and not allowed to bring several engine updates to make small improvements. After the qualy today they are allowed to bring 2 (!!!) new engines this season without being penalized and they can not even go on risk with them because nobody can afford a single engine to explode. So they said they want to cut the costs as the teams can not test in between races but actually they just moved the costs to pre-season when the engine builders put 100 engines on the dyno until they explode. This system is stupid and it is not Mercedes fault, they are just the benefitiaries of the current regulations.
And this is something that is very difficult to sell anyone apart the hardcore Mercedes-fans at the moment. I am sure that Ferrari and Renault curse the day they agreed on that nonsense

 

Which do you think is easier jumping into Senna's car and doing a lap, or jumping into Alonso Mclaren and doing a lap? Gonna take you a day to learn the steering wheel alone

 

Let alone the more tiring of the drivers do to higher g forces of today

 

Not when I have 25 techies(just for the steering wheel) behind laptops to tell me what and when to use said dials, switches, and buttons for the average current F1 driver.

 

Not true because you have to remember and activate all that stuff they say each lap, while sustaining double the amount of G forces as in the past

 

So you're saying the driver is not in communication with the pits who are also in communication with HQ in a different part of the globe....all in real time???

 

There was a time when the driver was sent out on a ground setup to do a fast lap...he came back and told the mechanics what he wanted to change and he was back out again to try whether the new setup is faster. When he came back all the mechanics could rely on was his feeling and the next suggestion for further changes.
Nowaday the team knows better even before the driver is back in the pits whether the new setup gave any improvement and where it won and where it lost time over the lap. Certainly the driver still has to get the most out of the car but it is not entirely in his hands anymore. The factor of the pitwall crew improved massively with the introduction of the telemetry!!!
It would be great to see who of the driver would sort out the car best if you just turn of all the data...

 

+1.....It would be great to see who of the drivers would sort out the car best if you turn OFF all the data.

 

Don’t forget the edge that some drivers had with tires in the past....

So it was not always the greatest driver winning.

Robb

 

Yes they are, constantly, which further adds to the workload and takes away from driving. And all the while things are moving faster now because the cars do faster laptimes now

 

Sorry... missed one "f"

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Why does everyone forget the current crop of drivers came from cart and formula cars with LITTLE TO NO data?