Overtaking in F1

Support for us from a kind of unexpected direction.

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that's what I like from Max: say it as it is! No political BS

 

Liberty will deprive him of desert for telling the truth

 

yep, it's a problem. Dumb down the aero and get rid of DRS. Might want to look at getting rid of CCB's while your at it-->go back to steel.

 

exactly. Dumb the aero down significantly, and make the front wing less wide whilst at it as well. The smallest of taps breaks parts of these and they need to pit due to losing so much downforce, so even less risk is taken attempting an overtake. It's a stale mate. Recoup some lost downforce with simple venturi tunnels; easily dictate how much downforce they deliver by dictating maximum height. They pick up as clean as possible downforce so it ensures closer following. There will always be some dirty air but with most of it picked up from so low down, the cars aren't affected so much by it.

Added bonus is that the development cost goes down immensely. No need for a cost cap that's impossible to police.

The cars are so fast now that some corners that some corners are flat out now, making overtaking even more impossible.

Get rid of the frankly idiotic amount of tyre compounds we have now. Simplify it by having 3 tyre compounds, soft medium and hard.

And last but not least: Engines. Forget V10 for now for a second. The basic V6 they already have is good. Get rid of the incredibly expensive and overly complicated turbo they have on it now. Slap on 2 commercially available turbos that cost 5 grand a piece. Get rid of the overly complicated electronics that are so complicated, fragile and expensive. All it does is prevent racing. Keeping the same architecture of the current V6 with twin turbos, I really don't see how a unit has to cost more than 100 grand all in. Turbo lag? Give them some anti lag. The removal of the massive batteries and electronic systems allows for a somewhat larger fuel tank if we keep the no refueling for the race. These engines should produce 1200hp with ease, upwards of 1300 in quali trim. With engines at 100 grand each it's easy to say maximum of 1 engine per weekend. Even poor teams can easily afford that now, especially with the simpler aero.

Get rid of special qualifying modes, ''strat mode 14's'' and what not. Get rid of 80% of the buttons on the wheel and give them a big red dial with BOOST written on it, the far end of it only used in qualifying and the rest in race as they see fit.

What we'll have his cars with less aerodynamics, more power and real talent needed to steer them to the top. If Mercedes and Ferrari are complaining that they'll leave the sport because the engineering challenge is out of it for them, call their bluff. I seriously doubt Ferrari would leave, and if they do, so be it. I'm tired of 2 teams dictating the sport, ensuring they're realistically the only 2 teams that can win.

IMO, with the above rules, a team like Sauber should be able to hire a highly rated young kid and fight among the sharp end of the grid. It needs to be about the driver and not some nerd with a laptop, sitting in a grim office in Brackley saying they need to lower the front suspension by half a millimeter and add 2 degrees of downforce to the rear.

Dumb down the sport, 12 nerds might leave but millions will return. Hell, even one or two teams may leave, but in return we'll get more teams back. An engine builder or two may leave, but we'll get 2 back with ease: Cosworth and Aston Martin. And so long there's money in it, why would the others leave anyways....

Will we ever have screaming V10 or 12's back? I don't know. But with the above format, we may not even miss them so much.

There we go, I've solved the overtaking crisis, the ''are we Le Mans or a sprint race'' crisis, I've solved the team budget crisis and I've solved the F1 fan recession crisis. All in 20 minutes.

 

I would love to see Cosworth in F1.

 

Anyone here remember this car? Crap chassis, but the engine was a gem. Neighbor had one of the first ones. That's when I learned about Cosworth.
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Sorry for the OT.

 

same here about Cosworth. My mom had one. She bought it with her own money. Chevy Vega with the Cosworth. Dad hated it....had an Impala ss.

 

Excellent Post!

 

Single plane front wing, Single plane rear wing, no endlettes on either.
Have a single manufacture make these with standard attachment points and all the teams do is fit them to their cars.

Without all the electronics, those tiny engines would blow up. I prefer the engine rules circa 1993.

No buttons on steering wheel other than shift buttons, no knobs either, no touch screens, just a steering wheel with two shift buttons, and a start button on the dash board.

 

This is supposed to be a constructors' series.

Ban any technology that isn't applicable to street cars ...
... starting with those esoteric carbon brakes.

Go back to steel or carbon-ceramic brakes, and drivers can't hit every corner at 100%.
They'd have to manage when they can heat their brakes.


Seen the new "specialty" Camaro? The one banned in Europe because the aero is a pedestrian hazard?

 

Not sure if you realize it or if it was intentional, but you just essentially described an Indycar.

Also you described why I’m a big fan of Indycar these days, as well and why their racing on the track is so much closer. The only thing I don’t like about Indycar is it being such a closely regulated spec series with only one chassis maker. I like the “team” approach to F1 where one may happen to be a fan of a particular team, a particular driver, or perhaps both. In Indycar I don’t think many people care about rooting for any particular team, they only really follow their favorite drivers, so a little something is lost there.

If someone could combine the team approach of F1 with a simplified formula like Indycar that most importantly allows CLOSE racing and overtaking and emphasizes driver ability, they’d have a winner.

 

Not really. Teams would be free to design what their car looks like, their chassis, engine layout, suspension and so on.

 

Exactly what I meant in my last paragraph. Take a simplified formula similar to the current Indycar regs, but open it up to all the teams/manufacturers to design and build their own cars to those specs.

 

Why is that?

 

As do I, the golden age of F1. Those days are long gone I'm afraid.

 

yep. I'd love a V10, V12 back....but my rules above are written with some form of compromise included.

 

Because, otherwise, it'd be Indycar.



It started life as a constructor's series: A place for manufacturers to test new technology for their street cars.

Look at the Mitsu 3000GT VR4. The public was sold a car full of "new" tech.
You don't want to make your customers Beta testers.
That's what you pay race drivers for.

Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.

 

If I may,

The FIA classification of Formula 1(initially Formula A) dates from Jan. 1, 1948.

The FIA World Driving Championship dates from the 1950 season.

First year for the Formula 1 Constructor's World Championship was 1958.

 

All of the drivers complain that they cannot follow another car closely in order to overtake, but they're all happy to drive a car that cannot be overtaken due to the car behind not being able to get close!

 

We'll, let's wait and see...

Chief Brawn admits #AusGP lacked "vital" overtaking, pledges to solve problem but warns it needs time, research and proper solutions per Autosport.

 

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The problem isn't new or unknown. The FIA and Liberty is ****ing useless. Same was promised last year. What was done? They changed the logo.

 

yep, they're slow at reacting.

 

No Joe, they aren't reacting at all. Apparently they are following a script and I can't imagine what the plotline might be--play subservient lap dog to the manufacturers(MB) and destroy F1? Why are they doing this?

 

FIA: "But...we have a new Logo!!! Isn´t that enough???"