[QUOTE="Lukeylikey, post: 145902269, member: 11520 Perhaps some people use their Ferraris for the country club only. I don’t know any in the UK. And certainly with DCT gearboxes you can pootle around in the modern cars (including McLaren) like never before. If that’s what you want to do, you can. But doesn’t that apply to all mainstream brands for all but the most excessive products?[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself, I get 10/10 performance out of my 488 every time I drive it. Vettel has yet to beat me in a single race... In fact he's lost hope so much that he won't even accept any of my latest requests.
if you call this close... maybe press cars are close but client cars are off... same day same condition counts for me
That is nonsense! Those cars performed exactly as you would expect given press claims. In fact your video supports my point completely. The TTS and the 488 were both spiders, the 570S and the LT both coupes. Plus, from a start the tyre will make quite a difference - the LT has trofeos - and with its lighter weight, the difference between the 488 and the LT is about how it is. If you look at press tests for all the cars included in this video (which is based on customer cars) they suggest exactly the kind of difference shown.
Up to 200km/h the GTB is 0.6s quicker than a Spider. That would put the GTB very close to the LT but not quite its match. The screenshot below is from Zeperfs, which is an aggregation of leading magazines across Europe. Tell me again that press cars are rigged? In terms of making sure each car performs as it should - every manufacturer does that. And why not? These things are important and if the tyres are toast, or the geo is out, the report will be worse. Nothing underhand there. Image Unavailable, Please Login
For completeness. Now can we dispense with the press cars are rigged rubbish please? Image Unavailable, Please Login Just in case it’s not abundantly clear, press claims for both car are for the 488 Spider to reach 200km/h in 9s and for the LT to do it in 7.9s. If you ask me, the customer car video from BOTB looked closer. Meaning that Ferrari’s press cars are not rigged but McLaren’s might be.... (No, I don’t think they are either).
These copy & paste from zeperfs prove nothing. Ferrari's press car games have been out there for long enough: In addition to the Motor Trend and well known issues Chris Harris reported a few years back, Autocar had this to say last August: https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/tester%E2%80%99s-notes/not-so-curious-case-ferrari-488-autocar-road-test-and-cup-tyres These are well respected magazines. As they say, there's no smoke without fire.
absolutly non sense your post and stop copy past from zeperfs, nonsense as well press cars different day different mag and different test equipment The video shows as well that a 570s is in pair with the 488gtb spider despit beeing on very small 285 street rear tyres and beeing 100hp down to the 488gtb.. by the way the lt is about 10 cars length a head of the 488gtb spyder. The the 675lt spyder vs the 488gtb spyder the outcome would be the same as the lt spyder is just 40kg more. the Lt pulls just harder every gear and makes the gap at hihger speed. Do you have any experience on high speed runs with your cars, as i do, and in can defenitly tell you the 675lt pulls over the 488gtb at hihg speed (200-300kmh/124-184mph). Now off to the Nordschleife as season is about to restart, some real driving not just internet numbers
This tyre report is ridiculous - all press tests on track for the 488 were with Sport Cup tyres, it was not meant to be un-noticed and was explicitly reported in some original articles (e.g. Sport auto from France). Regarding the 675 LT, it has better acceleration - on press tests and customer cars tests - because it has more power and less weight, while on track (with matching tyres) the difference is about inexistant. As for the performance of the "customers" 488 GTB, it's reported to be extremely good by some renting on track operations: exotics racing mentions it became the fastest car around their track (beating a bunch of Lambos ans McLaren), and their cars are not press cars (https://exoticsracing.com/driving-experience/ferrari-488-gtb).
maybe ask robert Mitchel had both tracked both on the ring and sold the 488gtb.. So different experience from somebady who actually used his cars as the were mad for
I fully understand some may prefer a 675LT (or a Performante, or one of many others) - to me all these cars should be pretty good anyway. What I am struggling with is when some want to make a point that their choice is not about personal taste but about the fact they know the undisputable Truth; amazingly here it seems to happen mostly with the McLaren fans while the Lambo (or even Ferrari, in spite of being ferrarichat) lovers seem to be more relaxed
It is not ridiculous. The article is not saying they were trying to hide the tyre choice. They point out that the press car was fitted with better performance Cup tyres that you cannot order as a customer. So it just supports the point others have made earlier that the press cars are not representative of customer cars.
These tyres are not impossible to buy nor custom made for the press cars, they are from the 458 Speciale and the reason they are not supplied by Ferrari is because they are not homologated for the 488 (I think it's a matter of load rating, this has been discussed here).
I would venture to guess that the overwhelming majority of F car owners and devotees did not purchase their cars because of drag race times, yet on the occasion that a 488 is beaten in one of these races, it causes all kinds of distress and excuses. Clearly, Ferrari ownership is predicated on the satisfaction and joy created by the entire experience of possessing the car(s). Buying a super car should be based on one criterian- The degree to which it enhances your enjoyment of life. And that is not measured by .1 of a second speed on a track.
Have about 1,500 miles driving 488 Spider v LT Spider and about the same Speciale v LT Spider. Have been over the IOM mountain a number of times Speciale v LT. Not sure what your issue with Zeperfs is - if you claim press cars are rigged you have to look at the figures they produce in relation to the competitors’ press cars. And the press car timing differences echo the differences in your customer-car video. This cannot be clearer to me. Even Robert Mitchell claimed the 488 is close to the LT in straight line performance. He said he preferred the LT on the Nürburgring, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me. He also didn’t like the shorter redline of the 488, also perfectly fair. Here is my summary, and I need a lot of convincing that any of these statements is incorrect; LT is an excellent car 488 is an excellent car Ferrari press cars do not give a false indication about customer experience. And just to annoy you further I’ve posted Zeperfs press car comparison between 488 Spider and 570S coupe. And guess what - 9s v 9.2s to 200km/h. So every car in your video performs exactly as their relative press cars suggest. Funny world eh? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just to be clear, I am not trying to say the 488 is faster than an LT. It is not. Just that my experience driving my own car against friends I have with LTs exactly mirrors the press reports. For fun, and because it is annoying, here is the 488 Spider v the LT Spider. And it feels exactly like this on the road. I don’t mind if people want to give an opinion about not liking the 488 or any Ferrari product, if it’s opinion then everyone is entitled to their own and it’s all good. I just don’t like when rubbish is spread as though it is fact; Ferrari press cars mislead customers, Ferrari is categorically a poor choice. No and no. That’s all. Image Unavailable, Please Login
i think we can argue the whole day, i do have an other understanding than you when it comes down to performance on high speed and on track use (who ever is right or not). comming from owning a few ferraris 458 and f12 over the Gt3/Rs, 675lt, 720s and upcoming 991 Gt2 Rs and 812 superfast i cross shop all over the brands. But my expirience, tracking cars quit often, doing lot of highspeed runs(legal) Ferrari was the brand were i have the most problems or let down and the smallest support. i am still in love with the italien car but i think i can put it in perspetkiv very well to other cars/brand i own. I know for many of you acceleration 1 sec more or less is not important, but for me it is and those vids shows about preformance on costumer car vs other customer cars on that specific day. What ever was the reason for the outcome
could be load rating but could be oil support on the engine during higher possible g-force with cup tyres. My dealer was clear in that after feedback from the factory. Non official tyres used on my F12 at this time would woid warrenty if issues are detected with non official tyres. Same goes for Porsche. By the way my 991 Gt2 Rs is comming with the dunlopt tyres, now were near as sticky as the cup tyres used during the 6:47 laptime. Thes tyres is still not available for public. Shame on Porsche
Side by side car matches are useless, as it is all about the reaction time and/or the driver. Each car should be measured with the same equipment, on the same day and road and by the same driver. Zeperfs on the other hand is a good measurement as it aggregates the results of all tested cars.
That article is a bit ridiculous. Your dealer is not official Ferrari, often dealers are clueless. Cup 2 tires are not even that good, launch control is useless with these tires. Exactly same tires I have and I am very disappointed with these tires. The Trofeo R tires are far superior, even NSX has that listed as OEM tires. Of course customer can order any tires they want as long as it is not the wrong size. You can slap on a Pilot Super Sport on any AWD car or any McLaren, and they perform slower in fact a lot slower. The Dunlop Sport Maxx Race 2 tires on 911.2 GT3 and GT2 RS are far superior tires, track test also shown it out perform Cup2 tires. It came on my business partner's 911.2 manual GT3, he was disappointed that it did not came with Cup 2 tires. I then pointed out the test that on GT3 even previous Dunlop Sport Maxx Race 1 out performed Cup 2
This is old Dunlop Sport Maxx Race. The new Sport Maxx Race 2 is even better. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Game over. Everyone should just stare at their cars in their garage and just live through magazine tests. People like xskier who actually test out their cars actually know all about this (ie., reaction time, same day, same road, etc.). I find it very odd when people who don't do it themselves dismiss people who actually do.
i disagree, the cup2 tires (not zp) (name is not yet give) used on the 991 Gt2Rs during the 6:47 laptime and used by sportauto for the KKHockenheim 1:03,8 is far superieur than the Dunlop sport maxx with Porsche rating. (speaking about 2sec over 1min). This is shown as well by the rediculose long cold braking distance of 49meters for the 991 Gt2 Rs. This new tyre Cup 2 „ZP“ XX for the Gt2 Rs is almost dangerous to drive in public when not warm, and yet not ready to sell to custumors. Therefore Cup2 preformance very much depending on there rating and specification
i think you live a bit on the moon (sorry for that spelling) Do you really think we just do one run and thats it. Reaction time, counts much less on rolling start say 64mph both together and then floor it. Even if the „slower car get the jump“ you will get him as up to 184mph or more is quit lot of time to performe... I am not interested in races from a dig, as here in europe 1/4mile races ar not as commen as maybe in the states Having a vbox in the car is quit comen at least for me and my friends who also like to race.
I don't really get what you are saying. Anyway, even F1 drivers can get a jump on each other. Only the instruments know what they are talking about.
