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  1. phil the brit

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  4. phil the brit

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    #4 phil the brit, May 2, 2018
    Many thanks Michael, I have contacted both people.
    Rgds
    Phil
     
  5. kylec

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    #5 kylec, May 2, 2018
    What do the tips look like?
     
  6. Bob Parks

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    #6 Bob Parks, May 2, 2018
    It looks like a Beech-Roby
     
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    #9 phil the brit, May 3, 2018
    I took the propeller down from its location hanging from my hall ceiling this morning. I needed help because it was heavy! I found the following markings on it.

    On the round part of the hub

    Blade No1 RA13513

    74165 then what looks like a military arrow then 92612

    On the part of the hub nearest a blade

    Type No R30/242

    Serial No 91581



    The length from tip to tip is 250cm and a blade at its widest point is 27cm.

    I have enclosed better pictures and you can see it is a spline fitting.

    I contacted both the experts that wrxmike posted (many thanks) and both came back needing more info which I sent them this morning.
    If anyone can now shed more light on it then I would be very grateful
    Thanks
    Phil
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  10. Ferrari27

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    Phil. When I saw your first pictures I was not sure that the blades were originally fitted to that hub. The blades look like WW1/1920s era but the hub looks later. I am prepared to be told otherwise by the experts though as I am certainly not one!

    R30/242 is a Dowty Rotol number off an Avro Anson but...

    ...I am very interested to see what the experts say.

    You have certainly acquired some interesting stuff over the years. There was the boating trophy on here not long ago...
     
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    #11 Bob Parks, May 3, 2018
    WW1 props weren't built of thin multiple laminations using the same type of wood. They were built of alternating layers of usually walnut and spruce or some other soft wood. The layers would range from 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch thick and usually were not fitted to a separate hub. The propellor hub was an integral part of the prop. The blade profiles were usually like scimitars and beautifully made. Some German props were more club-like.
     
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    #12 tazandjan, May 4, 2018
    Bob- Affirmative, I have a Fokker Dr.I Triplane propeller upstairs built for me by Fred Murrin. Need to mount it to a beam in the family room, but have not gotten around to it. Exact replica of an Axial prop.
     
  13. phil the brit

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    #13 phil the brit, May 4, 2018
    This is what Monte has said today................
    Phil,
    You have found exactly what you were looking for.
    Your blades used to have the black plastic like finish on them also.
    Look closely at the metal ferrule on the blades and you will see a layer on the material between the wood and metal,
    https://www.ashbyinteriors.co.uk/product/ww11-armstrong-siddeley-cheetah-radial-engine-new-old-stock-inc-propeller/

    I will work on the type of aircraft over the weekend.

    Have a great day and let me know if you find more info,
    Monte
     
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    #14 Tcar, May 4, 2018
    So, is that an adjustable pitch prop? Some of the props on the Beechcraft site I posted earlier that look like that have different settings, takeoff, cruise, etc.
     
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    The bare wood makes the prop look much older which is why I had wondered if the blades and hub were originally together. In my earlier post I mentioned Dowty Rotol but of course at the time the company that made the prop were just called Rotol. When my father worked there it was Dowty Rotol and I just always put the two together. Early Ansons did not have variable pitch props so this is probably off a later Mk21. A very nice item to have on the wall!
     
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    #17 phil the brit, May 6, 2018
    I have decided to sell the propeller at an auction in UK later this month. I am selling a whole lot of old guns and swords as well. Anyone care to put a value on it?
    All part of an effort to de-clutter some of the tons of stuff I have accumulated over the years.
     
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    #18 thecarreaper, May 7, 2018
    Please post or PM on the swords. 1796/1811 Blucher blades especially. :)
     
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    #19 phil the brit, May 8, 2018
    The swords are..............
    1912 Cavalry officers sword (2 of the same)
    1821 cavalry troopers sword
    1897 George 5th Infantry sword
    1897 Infantry sword
    Masonic sword (I know nothing about it)
    Rgds
    Phil
     
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    #20 thecarreaper, May 8, 2018
    Cool, replied to your PM, dont wish to derail thread.
     
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    #21 phil the brit, May 8, 2018
    I have now delved into the history of all the items.

    They are as follows.............

    Large Second World War Avro Anson Aircraft

    propeller - as originally fitted to the Armstrong

    Siddley Cheater engine



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    First World War 1912 pattern Cavalry Officers'

    sword by Henry Wilkinson (no. 51729), with nickel

    plated scroll engraved bowl guard and shagreen

    grip, the blade etched with J. N. Williamson in

    panel and crowned Royal Arms - sharpened for

    active service, in field service scabbard


    N.B. 2nd Lieutenant J. N. Williamson was granted

    an emergency commission in the 2nd Life Guards

    Reserve Regiment on 14th March 1916. He was

    promoted Lieutenant on 1st July 1917 and served

    in France until his discharge in 1919

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    First World War 1912 pattern Cavalry Officers'

    sword, retailed by Army & Navy Co-operative

    Society London, with plated scroll engraved bowl

    guard and shagreen grip, etched blade with

    Royal Arms in pigskin covered field service

    scabbard

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    Scarce 1821 pattern Light Cavalry Troopers'

    sword with leather covered grip and steel three-

    bar hilt, regimental marked - D. 16 / 17 R.A.,

    curved fullered blade with maker's Knight's helm

    mark for Kirschbaum, Solingen, in steel scabbard




    First World War George V 1897 pattern Infantry

    Officers' sword with leather knot, etched blade

    and pigskin covered field service scabbard

    Victorian 1897 pattern Infantry Officers' sword

    with crowned VR cipher to guard and etched

    blade, retailed by Hawkes & Co. London, in

    pigskin covered field service scabbard



    Victorian Masonic sword, Indian shield and two

    bronze spear-head terminals (4)


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    19th century percussion trade pistol with 15 bore

    barrel, brass furniture, walnut stock and steel

    ramrod, 46cm overall


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    19th century Indian percussion three-band

    Enfield-type military musket with walnut stock,

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    If anyone is interested in any of them please PM me. I have not investigated whether it is possible to send guns, propellers or swords through the postal system to the USA but if anyone is seriously interested i will do so.
    Rgds
    Phil
     
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    #22 thecarreaper, May 8, 2018
    Interested in the 1821 sword. Sent you a PM. I think FedEx is OK with shipping swords to the USA. Tried to read up on the UK laws for you but most of the links have old info.
     
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    #24 tazandjan, May 9, 2018
    James Bond used Wilkinson throwing knives in From Russia with Love. Guess he and his company have been making sharp stuff for a long time. Horrible razor blades, though.
     

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