What do you guys think about a 308 QV conversion? Value wise? Looking at an older conversion this week.
By who, including what, price..... jut some of the things I’d personally want to know. For the possible price, one might consider performance and customisation alternatives; especially if the conversion wasn’t a big value enhancer. As an example, there’s a V12 308 at auction on 19 May at Brooklands (UK).... depends what you are looking for. Sounds interesting. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
You mean a straight-up base 308 with 288 panels swapped? Well, it's better than a Fiero tarted up to look like a 308, I guess.
What and avoid the hassle of a longitudinal twin turbo engine [emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hmm... Are you going to increase the HP to 288 level? If not, a "288 GTO" with 3x8 HP would be a bit embarrassing. No...actually it would be a LOT embarrassing! If you're gonna make a semi-clone, it needs to be able to perform with the real thing. Clone muscle cars are pretty common and the only difference between an original factory muscle car and a clone are the non-matching numbers for the engine and the VIN that shows it was, for example, a standard sedan instead of the muscle car version - A 1965 Pontiac Tempest with a 230 CID 6 cal as opposed to a 1964 Pontiac GTO. . But just make the changes which is easy to do with US cars and the Tempest becomes a GTO and no one could tell the difference without checking the numbers. Like the old car collector phrase about clones goes - (insert the specific mode/yearl as appropriate), "Chrysler made 11 Hemi Barracuda convertibles in 1971, of which 147 still remain." Of course, making a 288 GTO clone would be much more difficult than cloning a muscle car since the 288/3x8 are not the same body nor do they share the engine/drivetrain layout.
I’m thinking of this as being in the same category as a Porsche Carrera RSR “tribute” or Shelby Cobra replica. The original article is essentially unattainable so spending $100k-$200k to create a cosmetically and mechanical identical example is reasonable. Particularly if it carries a Ferrari VIN of the same era. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Not really as simple as a Porsche because the dimensions are all so similar. A true 288 clone means stretching the wheelbase frame, turn the motor 90 degrees, add two turbos and completely rebuild the motor to handle forced induction. it will still look very Frankenstein-ish. I am all for doin' your thang... I'm doing some stuff to my own car to make it mine but if you care about value (which I don't), the money you spend would never be recovered unless you are putting it into a concourse restoration. Mods don't really fly in the fcar world. Only now porsches are starting to appreciate the "outlaw" treatment. Ferrari is not Porsche. They will always be more exclusive (not saying anything about the caliber of car or owner). The numbers of our era car justify that. Unless everybody starts liking cut up ferrari's, the concourse / correct car will always be worth more.
No question about the difference between the Pcar and Fcar worlds. This whole discussion starts with someone who wants a drivable 288 GTO without parting with $2M+ to get it. Whatever you spend on any tribute, replica, clone, etc. - even in Pcar world - you’re never fully getting back out of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
I know what you mean, but the initial ask was about the value of one already done. As you say, I think it is too soon for many F owners to smile upon such things, though there are of course 250GTO tributes that get great accolades and get referred to as ‘historical’ conversions. Unfortunately purely market-rules, so a question of what a last one went for and how much the owner needs to sell. Also how well it was done. Half-ar@@d rarely makes it back to half-price! I think there is some big bucks in replicating the engine and drive train set up for a level of authenticity likely to hold or add value. Is it Berliners cars that offer a race car recreation service still? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
As ever my slow typing meant I missed a post!! These are the guys I was referring to: http://www.berlinettamotorcars.com/ferrari288GTOconversionkit.htm I think the drivetrain would be interesting and probably no reason to stay pure - go modern turbos and management with a 6 speed manual - if your keeping it gated. Then you’d fit a 360 motor and gearbox in - or a more modern already turbo’d system. Think it could be a lot of fun.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think you mean Berlinetta and yes they still offer 308/328 -> 288 conversion parts and services. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
But they won't have a driveable 288 GTO. They have a 308 with wide body panels. They know it's fake GTO every time they get behind the wheel, so it comes back to "hoping to impress others with my fake car." I don't have an opinion of someone who can't afford to wear a Rolex. But the guy wearing a fake one? Yeah, I've an opinion of him. A fake Rolex isn't a "tribute." It's douchery.
A little harsh. This could ultimately be somebody who takes a 308 extends the chassis, fits a modern Ferrari twin turbo power train with some GTO’esque body work. It might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but it could be an interesting custom project. Not sure it’s quite the same as a fake Rolex, or even gluing your ‘Oyster Day-Date’ spares together, painting your own dial green and having Daytona engraved on the strap.[emoji6] Each to their own. For now I’d like to know more about the car the OP is seeing first. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I went with a 355 motor/subframe/rear suspension in mine, it does fit (just). If you need a set of Speedline Mistral wheels take a look at the classifieds.The rears may be too wide (F40 wide) depending on what you do back there for suspension.
Or for an extra 4 cylinders.... https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/ever-thought-about-putting-a-v12-a-ferrari-308 It’s estimated at 50-60k (UK£) whereas the next day at Silverstone there’s a GTS Q.V. with 65-75k. Not necessarily parity of condition, though I believe the v12 has only been recently recommissioned from the article, so gives some indication of relative values? But what fun to drive..... I’d be hunting 1980s 911s all day [emoji1] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
