It's an injection system into the the intercoolers. Kind of like icing your intercoolers at the track but you wouldn't know about that because by your own admission you don't actually drive these cars at speed in the environment they were designed for. It's not the same driving a video simulation car as a real car. Real problems come into play like heat, fuel, tires, etc, etc........
What does “...tested 911s” entail? What did you actually do? Also the common definition of opinion is “view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge”. The way you present your opinions “sounds like” they are based on “fact or knowledge” when in reality it does not sound like you can support this. I think that is the issue most people are calling you out for. Note that arguing about opinions is fruitless but discussing them is one of the primary functions of a forum like this one and it is valuable and enjoyable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I drove them for a bit in the areas in which they exist. Do a bit of around town, bit of "back roads" if there are any empty in the area, try a bunch of different modes. I for one am not someone who needs hundreds of miles on a car to know if they like it or not. No US dealer will let you put hundreds of miles on a car or lend it for a week unless they are desperate to move it, like an Aston Martin maybe. Maybe if you go to some sort of demo launch event they'll let you beat the car up a bit more, but for the most part I test a car when I get around to it. So the 570S for example, I was driving the 570S around Greenwich CT. I didn't know the area, dealer told me where to go. It is what it is. It felt exactly like a 12C, thus there wasn't anything to really figure out. Most exotic car dealers are not in the middle of nowhere. When I was going to test the 720S, it was downtown Chicago. I didn't actually test it because I didn't feel like it they day they had plans for it, but would that have been the same as the drive in CT? Of course not, it's Chicago. It takes like an hour to get out of Chicago into anything you could call fun roads, but unless you quite literally buy a car and take it home, a test drive is all you get. Look, I know that Car A and Car B can both do 7 minutes on the NR. I accept the reality that I probably can't do even 8 minutes without wrecking. That's really all I need to know about a modern car. With cars these days, I look at the things I know I can do regularly (drive fast in a straight line, brake fast in straight line, take turns enough above the speed limit to lose my license, raise/lower the roof, sit comfortably, back enough bags/luggage, like how it looks). Manufacturers sell new, better cars not because their owners graduate to the next level of skill and need, but rather just because.
TIL The Ferrari Pista isn't meant to be driven at speed in the environment it was designed for because it doesn't use water injection. Come on man, the 2RS uses it because it has to. It's not there because they want to use it on all cars going forward or an ideal solution, it's there because they found themselves in a pickle of needing more power out of the engine than they could reliably deliver without it given that the competition was pumping out seriously powerful cars rather suddenly.
Wait a minute....103 pages of discussion and younprobably have more posts, more passionate posts, more opinionated posts about the 720 than anyone and you have never even driven one??? Wtf???
Different engine, different placement and different body design but the issue is the same, IAT reduction. You can make bigger intercoolers with more fins and that will work but if you don't have the space and you don't want an ugly ass car, then some kind of other approach is taken and this is what they did. People are adding meth to 991 turbos which accomplishes the same thing but that is a custom mod. This is a pretty smart OEM approach if you ask me and I am a multi-degreed engineer. Reducing IAT is a legitimate concern for track cars and it's one of the first mods I made on my 991tts.
Huh? I hadn't posted in this thread for like 6 months. My opinion based on objective results was that the 720S is the superior car. LOL. I'm not going to try and tell someone which car they should like. I don't even know why anyone would ask for such opinions on cars. It's like asking strangers what are some good sexual fetish to have. Whatever floats your boat!
But that's my point. It's a $300K car. They shouldn't have packaging or style issues at this price. For whatever reason, Porsche refuses to enter the mid-engine exotic market with a unique platform for the niche. You should be getting a mini-918 for $300K, not a 911 that needs a shoehorn to fit everything. This is what I mean by compromise. Now looks are subjective, so it is what it is, but right now we have two equally powerful exotics with very different styles that don't seem to have trouble keeping cool as far as we know.
Which car did the OP end up getting? I can't read 104 pages on a forum... lol I was just looking at the 720S today at the dealership. Nice lines, and the interior was lovely. I had a bad experience with the MP4-12C so I haven't paid much attention to McLaren afterwards.
The nice thing about the 911 "shoehorn" approach is that I can move the seats forward a bit and have the GF in the front and my kids in the back while still having a monster of a car at the stoplight.
To counter Noone, I don’t think you can get more than just the surface of a car by test driving it. You have to live with it and spend thousands of miles with a car to really be able to have a valid opinion on the matter. I also don’t think it’s that easy to just walk in and test drive an exotic without buying history.
Not to be a contrarian, but I think that depends on your perceptiveness and prior experiences with different cars. Reviewers don't generally get to put thousands of miles on a review car, I don't think, but their perceptiveness and experiences allow them to negotiate the differences quickly between the review car and other vehicles they have driven. Not that this makes Noone's arguments valid.
I am glad Jo Sta7 posted this because in my experience unless you have a solid, and I mean solid purchase/maintenance/resale etc., relationship with an exotic car dealer they are not going to let you “test a car” and most wont let you out of “wet/rain” even with a rep in the car if they do let you try it. I also agree that it take seat time well beyond a test drive to even get a slight understanding of the car dynamics. Credibility.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Professional reviewers who do this for a living are not in play here...just your normal Joe/Jane exotic owner or enthusiast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That hasn't been my experience, but perhaps Westchester and Fairfield County (NY and CT) areas are a little more liberal with that attitude versus other areas of the country. Often around here, the guy who looks like he has no money is the guy who buys the car that day after the test drive... lol
I still don't think it takes thousands of miles in a car for someone to peg differences between cars if they have a decent understanding of what they are experiencing in cars and are perceptive. But, I guess we can agree to disagree. However, if they don't get to push the car relatively hard, which is hard to do on a test drive, they'll be hard pressed to gather reasonable data outside of sound differences and minor handling and acceleration characteristics. Without more meaningful data, comparisons are going to be flawed.
Though I should state, if your test drive mirrors how you drive your vehicles, and you're not the type to push the car to its limits, then the flawed data is at least personally relevant for a buying decision based on that limited data.
No you dont need thousands of miles to get to know a car. I knew the moment I hit the gas on the 650 Mclaren, it wasn't for me. However, you gotta at least own a car here or there, and have driven at least a little in your own car to have such passionate opinions. There are some on this thread, no one in particular (see what I did there) who espouse such passionate and profound viewpoints, you think their daily driver was the car that they are raging for or against. when it turns out that they dont even own the car, have never driven the car, and are just basing their opinions on a minor cosmetic feature- someone wrote it above....credibility.
