Mate , I just don't get it ? I don't like Porsches, Merc's but im not on their sites pushing my thoughts. You clearly have to much time. I love the 488 GTB, cant wait until mine arrives. I don't get into arguments which Ferrari is better either. But im going to say it again in another way don't piss on anyone's parade here especially if you don't own a Ferrari. If you look at my history you can see I joined a long time ago. Read the posts but never posted. I was tossing up the Italia and then Speciale but I knew the 488 was coming. At no stage did I feel to bag the 458. Do yourself a favour , if you can may I suggest to by a Ferrari and enjoy
Have to google it, surely there is a site that has members that argue all day about cars they don't own ? If there is I strongly suggest you join it noone 1 that way you can all pat yourselves. BTW I have friends from all walks of like with all different cars. Never would I ever bag anyone for their decision, taste or choice.
You assume I don't like Ferraris though. I do like Ferraris, just not all of them or many recent designs, and keep in mind my posts about the 488 have largely been in a thread labeled "720s or 488". I had barely posted here within the last 6 months up until yesterday. I joined Fchat 10 years ago, so less than 1 post per day, and really probably even less than that if you disregard the mega threads of interest like P1 vs LF vs 918. While you actually dislike Porsches and Mercs, I don't dislike Ferraris. 355 GTB, 360CS, and F40 are among my favorites (even though I was too young for when those cars debuted, actually not even born). Enzo looks weird to me now and dated, but I liked it initially. Prefer the 918, but it's not like the LF isn't good looking. I have my fingers crossed that the next-gen V8 looks really good, but the reality is that I don't care for that designs in recent years and Ferrari tends to do 10 year designs. So if I think they screw up the replacement, that means 10 years of similar things inside and out. I think that should illustrate why I went R8 and 12C. R8 was brand new, looked like nothing else. 12C was brand new, looked like nothing else. 720S is brand new and looks like nothing else. I hope the replacement V8 Ferrari looks like nothing else. I hope.
Ya but that’s why so many reviews are frankly **** and they go for the loudest most in your face cars that are a pain to actually live with.
Rude, pointless, low self esteem. The need to be told what they have is the best. I call that immature. Lots of children with that attitude maybe someday they will grow out of it. Pathetic.
720 clearly owns the Gt2Rs going by the accel #'s provided and the stats here also show the 720 to be faster in the corners as well. But 720 only beat 2rs by 1 second around the circuit? Doesn't make sense. Then you have the lap times from the other two circuits where GT2 wipes the floor with 720 by a significant amount of time. It would make sense that 720 can out accelerate 2rs and that 2rs is better in the corners allowing it to pick the time up there (re the other two circuit times). But that is not shown here.
What are you talking about? One lap was factory effort vs magazine which is like comparing Marc Lieb to Chris Harris, and the other lap was quite close.
I'm gonna take a wild guess here by saying you got this from noone1 who I suspect is most likely either your son or nephew. I mean who else would bother to scrape up such a childish discriminating response and post it up......hence why you as his father are posting it up in hope of disguising the facts surrounding your fondness/love for one another. You both also share the same love for electric cars too I note. Coincidence I suppose? Anyway, FWIW I'm from European descent if you really must know - not that I would be ashamed if my descent was from penal colony origins anyway. The unfortunate problem for yourself, Gh21631, noone1 etc here is that Aussies can smell BS from a mile off so things are bound to get called out along the way and, I don't feel the need to make apology for that. How old are you? 11? 12? Son we are not talking about pullback cars/toys here. Your local toy shop is not a new car dealership. No one (inc noone1) can just stroll in and expect to take the keys to new expensive exotics for runs here there and everywhere as you seem to be trying to have us all believe. Pull the other one.
You don't know how product development works do you? No, you are just a critic, not a designer or developer of products. $300k isn't what it used to be. Engineering for performance, price and style is all about optimization which might look like compromise. Optimal isn't always what everyone likes but it does meet all the criteria for the design at the best cost. We are dealing with real businesses here that make a profit or they don't make cars for long. McLaren optimized the performance and price but IMO not styling. Ferrari got it all right with the 488.
He wouldn't have.....he's just making **** up as goes along now. I also don't think he is of driving age yet anyway. Maybe he wants to drive one one-day but I suspect he''ll have to wait a few years unless his dad Dustman gives him a turn of his up and down the driveway.
I believe the tires should be identical type when these numbers are published to eliminate the questions - because as you say, the numbers don't make much sense. I've also seen a variety of times posted for various circuits and while the driver does impact that, there are a lot of guys re-testing on different tires which really seems to impact the times. I do wonder if McLaren chose the Corsa tires versus the Trofeo Rs because they didn't want it to compete as directly with their P1 or the Senna - which does come with Trofeos by the way. They certainly tinker with (sandbag) the published times, hp, torque, etc... so that may be part of the game.
Reckon you read his comment incorrectly. But frankly who gives a **** what no one 1 says ? As his call card is NO ONE. Doesn't have either the 720s or a 488 so he can go to some other forum that bags all exotics. And honestly defending him ? Don't get you , oh well best to just ignore and comments he has.
Yes there are always some variables at play, but the numbers on this particular article showing 720 to be notably faster pretty well everywhere (straights corners etc) all resulting in a mere one second advantage at the finishing line lends question. By rights, if both cars cornering speeds as documented are an accurate reflection then the 720 really should have come home with more than just a second lead don't you think?. Then you have the other two circuit times which place the GT2 significantly ahead of the 720 time-wise. I doubt the Porsche could have got lucky twice. http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/11m3m7shl0vv
I agree the (only) a second lead is suspect, which is why I'm questioning what the causation is. Tires? Fuel? Weather? I'm also having a tough time believing the 720 ran Nurburgring at only 7:14 considering the car has topped many of the "quicker" cars at the 'Ring such as the Huracan Performante, Viper ACR, AMG-GTR, etc on many other circuits. I'm also not out to trash the Porsche, I like them and I've got a massaged 2014 911 Turbo that's very fast, but I do think a lot of gaming goes into these numbers. It would be nice to have more details to understand the outcomes. And back to my earlier point on tires; it looks like the 720 times are all garnered with Pzero Corsas instead of running more comparable tires to the GT2 (they're running Pilot Cup N2/N3s). If you're really comparing the two cars it would be helpful to see some of those variables narrowed down or eliminated all together. I think the 720 is probably closer or faster in many instances if it's got more comparable equipment.
The report says that "the Porsche has competed in the long-awaited road configuration" and, as a central insight, "the McLaren has the much more stable rear axel". A few further interesting statements: "the McLaren draws its precision from a carbon fiber chassis, which allows further dramatic leaps in development in the periphery. By contrast, with the completely squeezed out 911 concept and the heavy engine in the rear, the Porsche should be pretty much at the end". At this point, reference is made to the Ferrari 488 and Lamborghini Huracan with the following note: "...both are still made of metal (like the Porsche)...". Regarding other published GT2 RS-lap times the following statement: "the GT2 RS-chassis can be changed in character (camber/track). For record runs, as they are allowed to do by colleagues from the "Auto Motor and Sport"-magazine, the wheels may be "X-legged" and Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 ZB tires may be mounted, which looks suspiciously like slik's. The GT2 RS is no longer standard after this change.".
An interesting statement at the begin of the report: "with the exception of the P1 all McLaren models are a further development of the MP4-12C. That allowed the mid-engine sports car to mature to a level that shakes benchmarks. The disadvantage: differences between the models are difficult to identify.".
Shadowfax I'm with you 100% on this thread calling out some of the fanatic users with strange user-names, no pictures etc. I think they are just trolling this forum, especially when they claim they can afford this and that and have this and that incoming = the need to brag or trash others in the thread with words like "trashes", "destroying" , "embarrassing" etc just exposes them for what they are
Sounds beautiful doesn't it but I personally wouldn't pay too much attention to the report - reads more like a Maclaren marketing statement....music to any mac owners ears no doubt. The corner speed and accel stats between these two and the end result looks out of whack. Anyone who has done enough track time would have come across another car with a similar type of performance advantage only to find themselves lapped over the duration of the session yet here we have a one second win. The 720, with all those claimed advantages, should have slaughtered the 2rs....but only amounted to 1 second at the checkered flag.
