Should Max get a suspension from races? | Page 12 | FerrariChat

Should Max get a suspension from races?

Discussion in 'F1' started by daytona355, Apr 15, 2018.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

    Dec 31, 2003
    5,505
    You think so? I'm starting to wonder.......
     
  2. Agent Smith

    Agent Smith Formula 3

    Apr 20, 2002
    1,737
    "You know, I get really tired of all the comments of me that I should change my approach," said Verstappen, who recovered to finish in the points in Monaco.

    "I will never do that because it has brought me to where I am right now, and after the race it is not the right time to talk.

    "Everybody who has those comments, I don't listen to it anyway. I just do my own thing.“

    That’s kind of the problem isn’t it? I get that he’s 20. Everybody does dumb things at 20. But, he’s in the big league now. A higher standard is expected.

    Mistakes will happen. They happen to everyone at some point. How the mistakes are dealt with though is what ultimately counts. This isn’t the way to deal with it.
     
  3. Ferrari 308 GTB

    Ferrari 308 GTB F1 Veteran

    Feb 21, 2015
    8,035
    Tropical
    Well his bosses are the ones telling him to cool it a bit !

    Try headbutting Horner or Marko ,see how that works out mate.:rolleyes:
     
  4. Igor Ound

    Igor Ound F1 Veteran

    Sep 30, 2012
    8,102
    The Horn
    Full Name:
    Igor Ound
    I’m not too violent! If you say it again I’ll punch you in the face! ;)
     
    Agent Smith likes this.
  5. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

    Dec 31, 2003
    5,505
    His level of arrogance has really turned me off to him. I was excited about him when he first came in and started showing some driving talent, but quickly realized that he is a total liability on the track. And the way he is handling it, by accepting no blame at all, just further reinforces just how arrogant he is.
     
    kylec and william like this.
  6. stavura

    stavura Formula 3

    Sep 1, 2016
    1,353
    U.K
    Full Name:
    Harold Lounge
    To be fair to Verstappen he did take full responsibility for colliding with Vettel in China.
     
  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    42,715
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    He's taken full responsibility for Vettel and Monaco...as he should have.


    The rest is all sensationalism. And getting extremely boring.

    How people are saying he needs to start proving himself is laughable. Same goes for the people that said Vettel needed to prove himself in 2009. Sour grapes.
     
    stavura likes this.
  8. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

    Dec 31, 2003
    5,505
    The guy has contact in every race. He's proven that he is quick in the car, but he most certainly needs to prove himself as a Formula 1 driver. Proving yourself is not always about speed. In his case, he needs to prove that he can finish a race without any incidents.
     
    william likes this.
  9. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    42,715
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    Have you been napping 2014-2017?
     
  10. SimCity3

    SimCity3 F1 Rookie

    Isn't he also the youngest driver in 2018 to get a podium finish ?
     
    Bas likes this.
  11. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

    Dec 31, 2003
    5,505
    What's your point - that he is getting progressively worst with getting his car to the finish in one piece? Or are you suggesting we just pretend that this season doesn't exist?

    Your bias towards him is clouding your sense of reality.
     
    william likes this.
  12. Drive550PFB

    Drive550PFB Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    "I don't want to hear about questions about me wrecking."

    Ok, quit running into people..
     
    kizdan likes this.
  13. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    42,715
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    ''progressively worse''. Short term memory affecting you there or do you only have selective memory available?

    Your own bias is affecting it deeply. Suddenly every single thing is Max's fault:rolleyes:
     
  14. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    42,715
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    Youngest winner multiple times over...

    ---

    His previous good races (and he's had plenty) weren't flukes. People here are acting like they where....A lot of salt here because Max went toe to toe with Ferrari's boys a few times and got out on top.

    Has he made mistakes...sure has, Who hasn't?

    For 2018 he crashed into Vettel. It was **** particularly because it affected us badly here. He held up his hands and admitted fault.

    Bahrain he plonked it in the wall in quali...only person affected was himself.

    Australia a spin, lost a few places that's it. Only one affected was himself.

    Baku had the accident with Ricciardo. Discussed till death. Fault depends where you alliance is (except on this forum where it's 100% max's fault).

    Spain...are we really counting Stroll not accelerating and Verstappen nudging him? Only one affected was himself. **** still netted a podium out of it.

    Monaco Practice shunt...Even Alonso has done that.

    I think he's had 3 significant accidents in his F1 career:

    2015 crashing into the back of Grosjean in Monaco

    2016 Belgian GP when he got revenge on the Ferrari's (his own words).

    2018 Crashing into Vettel in China

    Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Alonso, Alesi...need I go on? They all had accidents at various stages in their careers, even mutliple ones in consecutive weekends.

    It's a massive overreaction on this forum. A lot of saltiness which IMO started from Belgian GP 2016 onwards. IMO the great races/overtakes he's done vastly outweigh his bad season. People talking about sending him back to F2 or STR. Give me a break. As a joke, fine...but they're dead serious shows either their bias or outright stupidity.
     
    stavura and Finlander like this.
  15. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2009
    1,062
    Portland, OR
    Full Name:
    Ted
    I think his short term memory is just fine...it requires longer term memory to look beyond the crash prone driver we see now...

    Like so many other sports, your last few performances are what is remembered. Everyone from the media to Helmet Marko is focused on those recent moments...everyone but Max, that is.

    Even the great Michael Schumacher essentially got kicked to the curb in favor of Lewis...because Michael’s talents had declined and Lewis was the better choice for the future. The future is based on the here and now...not the past.

    Max was the shiny penny for awhile...he is now a bit tarnished...tarnished enough that it’s hard to remember the shine he had.

    He doesn’t seem to be maturing as a driver...quick and immature will win the occasional race, but never a championship.
     
    william likes this.
  16. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

    Dec 31, 2003
    5,505
    He has an incident in EVERY RACE THIS YEAR! What else needs to be said? And you are trying to defend this? You are delusional. Whether some have been his fault or not, he seems to be the one who is always involved.

    He simply loses the ability to think in the heat of the moment.
     
  17. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,641
    He is undeniably fast, but I really don't think Max Verstappen is the finished article if we are looking for a potential WDC.
    He is far too erratic, inconsistent and arrogant to be able to mount a sustained challenge over 20/21 races.
    Max hasn't shed the "spoilt brat" image, nor tamed the wild instinct in him.
    His backers will lose patience one day, I figure, and Max will be remembered as the meteorite that hit F1 back in 2015.

    For a future WDC, my money is on Ricciardo if he gets his hands on a half-decent car.
     
  18. crinoid

    crinoid F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 2, 2005
    9,955
    Full Name:
    LaCrinoid
    Again I ask...?
    You can see the media already moving it's positive attention to LeClerc as the next big thing, not "Max Verstoppin-only-when-he-hits-someone-or-something"
     
    william likes this.
  19. Finlander

    Finlander Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 12, 2012
    2,354
    Sunshine State
    I hope so. But if he doesn't I don't really care. I think what he said was funny. And I think he brings excitement to Formula 1 right now.

    Every sport has controversial characters that were some of the best to ever play the game. Mohammed Ali, Dennis Rodman, John McEnroe, Tony Stewart, etc...

    Max doesn't give a **** and I like that. Hopefully he cleans up his racing a bit and goes on to be one of the all time greats.
     
  20. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

    Dec 31, 2003
    5,505
    Problem is that in F1, with a guy like Max, someone can end up getting killed.
     
    william likes this.
  21. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,641

    It's not only that: it also affect other people.

    I don't care of Max wants to splash himself into the scenery, but some of his "indiscretions" have eliminated other drivers too.

    That affects result of the race, and may even decide the outcome of the championship. So, it's not all innocent.
     
  22. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,641
    +1

    Exactly my feelings too.
     
  23. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2009
    1,062
    Portland, OR
    Full Name:
    Ted
    I’m not sure how this applies...

    Who was the youngest podium finisher in 2017? ...is that driver champion material? ...youngest this or youngest that is an interesting statistic, but overall meaningless.

    Rather than age, we should look at experience. Max has more F1 experience than quite a few other drivers...quite a few of those with less experience are showing way more driver maturity and class than Max, though. THAT’S my problem...the kid is growing up to be a kid.
     
    william likes this.
  24. Agent Smith

    Agent Smith Formula 3

    Apr 20, 2002
    1,737
    Exactly the point. EVERY RACE THIS YEAR. And instead of taking a more humble approach during a rough patch he doubles down on his stance that he's going to keep on keeping on. I don't think anyone here is denying his raw driving skill and we have seen impressive things from him. But as it sits in this season something is very very wrong. And this course won't lead him to the championships that many think he's capable of.

    All of the great drivers have made bad mistakes. They've all let their ego get the best of them from time to time and looked stupid in the process. Again though it's how they grow from a spot like this that counts. Lashing out like this just makes him look foolish.
     
    william likes this.
  25. Ferrari 308 GTB

    Ferrari 308 GTB F1 Veteran

    Feb 21, 2015
    8,035
    Tropical
    Image Unavailable, Please Login to see red mist- a condition certain people get into- usually caused by mental conditions but can be brought on by extreme stress/anger- when one is extremely angry there is stress put on facial muscles. the mark for one losing control of themselves and raging, destroying things/people in their vicinity, is when internal blood vessels in or near the eyes start leaking. the blood can sometimes spill into the inside of the eye, causing the person to see everything through a "red mist", hence the name. at this point, however, the person is so angry that they completely lose control and essentially go insane for a time. the condition naturally causes the person's eyes to turn red, which makes the experience for a bystander go from quite frightening to positively terrifying.
     

Share This Page