I'm thinking of purchasing this car for track duty. What components are missing or do you think will need replacing? This doesn't look all that bad in the grand scheme of things. Why would this car have been totaled? Anyone know the car or owner? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Looks like a whole bunch of damage to me . Looks like there was impact to the tire so possible suspension damage also . Good luck on this one !
Agreed. Doesn't look that bad to me either. I'm guessing it was totaled because Scuderia parts cost a fortune.
Let me clarify my question. I'm mechanically inclined and have access to a shop, lift, and tools. I can see what is broken, bumper cover, fender, headlight, etc. I will be able to see on the suspension what is broken or bent. I'm not familiar with these cars so basically, I'm asking what is missing that I can't see or don't know about.
For track purposes, assuming 1. no suspension damage ( actually if the mounting points of the arms are good, suspension won't cost you too much.), 2. all harness are good 3. from the point that the lower and upper arms front mounting point ---> backwards, the frames are not bent ( from that point forward , anything damaged is easily fixable, backwards, not so easily fixable) Also, I could be wrong but i remember the ac condenser is on the RH side, so you are good. Also u said its a track car so you don't need a condenser anyways. big ticket items u need and how to save money: 1. front bumper ( buy aftermarket , cheaper) 2. LH grille on the front bumper ( can make a cheap one by yourself, like 20 bucks from hardware store) 3. LH air duct on the front bumper ( difficult to make one yourself, so buy used on ebay, or anywhere) 4. LH panel ( actually it can be fixed, but kinda difficult, one of my guys around here can do it, but im in china. ) 5. LH headlight ( used on ebay or anywhere) 6. LH radiator cage ( used on ebay or anywhere) 7. LH radiator ( can commission somebody to make one, here in Hong kong I made one for US$200 ) 8. LH radiator fan ( can use an aftermarket one, lot cheaper) 9. front bottom floor undercover ( can make one yourself or commission somebody to do it, any composite material will cut it) 10. front LH wheel well ( 2 pieces , the upper bigger piece i guess you have to buy used OEM from ebay or anywhere, the front piece, you can make one yourself, like $20 from hardware store) to be completed. I am the king of money saving so don't hesitate to ask if you think something's too expensive now your problem is just to look for cracks or bents on the FRAMES from the front suspension front mounting point BACKWARDS. if no bent and no crack, then i'd say its still a fixable car. anything infront of the "front upper&lower arm mounting point" is moot and can use some hack job because you are not looking for asthetics. it will involve some tig welding job but for those in the know, its easy. The most difficult part is to weld the radiator cage to the body so that the front bumper will fit perfectly. the front hood is most likely warped but it can be easily fixed. 2 guys holding it tight and bent it, yea, its that easy! If theres some cracks (which I can't see from the pic), just tig weld it, again you are not looking for asthetics. Even if you do, for a master welder, it can be done.
if the car is track only, i'd say you can probably, probably go with 1 fan only. so you don't actually need the LH fan. I made do with my 360 challenge with RH fan only and it cools just as good. hoovering around 100 C in hot summer track days. if the car is track only, unless you are involved in some official racing in which headlights are required, why do you need a headlight anyways? Just put a dummy plate there for areo purposes. I track my 360 with headlights removed because i m a terrible driver and I crash a lot. hahahha
wow guys, love this place. Thanks for the info and the suggestions on how to fix it and the video. That looks to be the car in the video. Anyone know the owner?
Absolutely the car in the video beyond a doubt but have no idea who the owner is. That car will most likely require a frame pull, possibly massaging of the suspension mounting points but hard to say definitively since there isn't a good angle view of the driver's wheel and orientation. Everyone else covered what else is needed for repair but it won't be cheap at all. Doable, yes....cheap, no.
Given the mounting points for the suspension are the most important element of the repair, an inspection on their condition would be paramount IMHO. Whether I'd EVER buy a car driven by a bunch of poser youtube losers is another issue altogether.
the 360/430 platform's suspension is rather well design, IMHO, because, when you had an accident, even if you bent the arms, the mounting points would be still intact. This is coming from real world experience as a terrible track day lover who had quite a few incidents that bent a lot of places of the car BUT YET TO damage any mounting point or main frame.
No airbag deployment...doubt the impact was hard enough to bend the frame. All the visibly damaged bits are very delicate.
I personally think cars like this are totalled not entirely because of physical damage, but because of “resale damage”.
I wouldn't be afraid in taking on this project. Of course it really depend on what they want for it. If you worried about resale value...well, this car is not for you.
i'd buy it for 50-100k , depending on what were damaged. if somebody sells this for 40k, I think this car is for everyone.
I recall the 360 Spider that was repaired by a bodyshop in Portland, OR. They wanted to show off their abilities by hosting live repair sessions on their website. Leif's or something like that....similar front end damage, but when they removed the seats to inspect the frame they found the center tunnel had a buckle. They tried straightening with a Car Bench frame machine...then gave up. Site was dormant for a few months, then they came up with the ideal of cutting the bad part out and stitching in a section cut from another car. I think the project took close to a year. Like others said, its the stuff you can't see that could get you. I just noticed the dead pedal inside the car is all pushed back into the drivers footwell (11:23)....that was quite impact
It is a Copart car, I got an email on it yesterday. It is going to be auctioned off. In the past the prices cars like these bring is way too high, (I was bidding on MB GT a ways back and it sold for about what I could buy a clean titled one for), which leads me to believe these cars are bought for parts, not to be put back on the road.
If the front sub frame is ok then it just needs the n/s front frame/bodywork replacing. However, it depends whether or not the suspension has taken a hit & whether there's any damage to the casting. Casting replacement, major job, should only be carried out by approved repairer with proper equipment (jig brackets/factory trained repairer). Strickly speaking the n/s front frame should also be replaced on the jig but can be done off.