FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX HEINEKEN DU CANADA 2018: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Too wide to overtake? Have you seen the width of F1 cars of the 70's, 80's and early 90's? As well described in some former posts, Senna and Bellof were overtaking many others at that particular Monaco GP.
Overtaking has to do with intelligence and courage. Look at Max, he is not scared, tries to overtake whenever and where he can. Unfortunately still missing 'some' intelligence. But courage, he got! Remember Brazil last year, in the rain?
Too many weasels around in the F1 circus of today. Look at overtakings of Piquet, Mansell, Gilles Villeneuve, Senna, Arnoux. Those were drivers with balls. And the Cars were as large as today, or even larger.

 

But they had a different aero...being able to drive in the slipstream and braking late is the secret of overtaking. Now they are not able to drive in slipstream because of the dirty air and the braking point is that late that it is almost impossible to brake even later. I just read today an add of Brembo where they stated that the braking distance was reduced by 22% only in the last 10 years in F1...in the braking zone there is simply no more room for maneuvres.

 

You left out Prost. He made most passes than the drivers you mentioned, but he did in a non-spectacular [read: thoughtful & methodical] way that it looked boring to some. He was called "The professor" for a reason.

 

True! One of the greatest!

 

You are right, so somehow drivers are handicapped by the perfection of the car. They should get rid of this highly sophisticated aero.....Just one spoiler at the front and one at the back.

 

So you answer a questionable "if" statement by another string of "if's"...
Ickx took a decision just based on the conditions of the moment, and the race was not stopped before - in spite of heavy rain causing several crashes - nor later; it was stopped - by chance? - just when Prost was leading (and at the time no one could tell what Prost would have managed, second place was by no mean guaranteed while the 4.5 points were with the race ending then).
Regarding the outcome for Porsche, Prost (with his 4.5 points of Monaco) was beaten at the end of the season by Lauda, the other McLaren-TAG-Porsche driver - so that did not prove a risky move against Porsche

 

You must be talking about Max' wild aquaplaning followed by a massive "tank slapper" on the pit straight.

He didn't hit the pit wall head on as feared, but that had nothing to do with "skill".

Max was just a passenger then, and he escaped unscathed by sheer luck, nothing else.

 

To that I would reply that the aero then were not as efficient as today, and cars could race closer to each other.

Now, it's practically impossible to stay for long in the turbulence of the car in front of you, at the risk of losing downforce and tyre grip.

Therefore, most overtaking manoeuvres have to be launched from way back, and not all of them end up successfully.

 

Yes, I was referring to that move.
Sometimes I tend to believe the same thing, as you explain. Other moments I believe he has an incredible natural talent. He has shown other overtakings that were brave and extremely well executed. Other moves were scandals and quite dumb. Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of his at all. He is not very smart, but that's something else.

 

Like you I believe he is very talented, but he lacks patience, I think, and rushes his moves too often.

What's troubling is that he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes, and refuses to do so.

 

I don't believe that he is not learning all. He just learns the hard way... by costing him points and credibility on the grid.

 

No Bas, it's just that kimi talks in his sleep

 

Well of course

 

Brundle has become a softie.
Not a word about his idiot friends at FIA, letting an imbecile camouflage model wave the Finish Flag one lap early???? What a legal disaster this could have been if Vettel and Hamilton were fighting for the lead, in the 69th-70th lap?
They really take it very easy, clown Whiting and his crew of failed morons.
Who will ever have the courage to fire this fulltime idiot ? AND REVIEW F1 REGULATIONS FROM SCRATCH?

 

From the moment they decided it was ok for Alonso to win the 2008 Singapore g.p and hamilton win the title that same year due to a proven fixed race i guess they're ok to do everything else, i don't see how it can get any worse....

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/136731/fia-mulls-automated-chequered-flag-system

Just automate it all LOL

 

You are revisiting old ground here, for no purpose, if I may say so.

At the end of the Singapore GP, Alonso was declared winner, because nobody suspected there was foul play. It's as simple as that !
At season end, Hamilton was declared WDC, based on the results of the year. Again, without any contestation.
It's only a year later, when Piquet Jr blew the whistle on a plot in which he had participated that the whole conspiracy was uncovered.
Although the FIA took disciplinary actions against some of the protagonists, they were beyond the deadline to change the results.
It was by then, impossible for the FIA to annul Alonso's win, take away Hamilton's title, etc... So the records stood, and remain the best of a bad job.

Insight is a luxury you don't have when decisions have to be taken immediately.

 

+ Nobody at Renault gave a **** about who would become WDC because of that, they simply did that to gain a race win for Alonso....

 

All true, still it doesn't make it right, by the rules and by fairness, Massa was the champion, i don't care if it's old news...it will never be accepted as a legitimate title, unless for those who just like to look at the record books.

 

You must be very lonely …

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Yes, i do work alone in my office so it gets a bit lonely, but i have you guys to keep me company and "the black keys" singing along, so it get's a bit better!

 

No I think that Pedro has a valid point. The results from Singapore should have been excluded from the WDC which would make Massa champion. It is impossible to revise the standings more than a year later but there should be some sort of recognition if only an asterisk. My two cents.

 

The Asterisk would say: Massa and Ferrari screwed the pit stop
Massa lost not because of Renault but because they made a mistake...

 

The Black Keys are great! I think I’ll throw that on as well.