Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

My apologies,I pad ran out of power, wrong post, then again probably some truth in there somewhere,we do disagree only i certain ereas, as far as Countach goes we are all one big happy family.

 

Sounds like the only thing to solve this debate or argument, or whatever you want to call it... is to get two properly running CT's and test them. Dyno testing, and track testing! Then we post the results and have conversation based on that.

 

What is a lie?

 

Hes trying to be sarcastic. He thinks all of the Euro QV talk is total BS. He thinks Valentino would say the Homologation to Group B racing is meaningless. But the engines a true race car engine, maybe the best Lambo EVER produced with different internals, different induction to the Injected car. Its extremely obvious what the factory workers thinks. Valentino being an ambassador better not say disparaging things about any of the cars. Diplomatic always but if you could read his mind he would tell you the same thing as the others have publicly without doubt. He obviously has never experienced one on the road either.

Sounds very very bitter to anyone reading it but he doesn't care about that. To me the fulie was the gold chain car with toasters on the front. It hurt the image of the brand in ways that lasted a very long time here in the USA. The anni sealed the deal of what is Lambo doing over here?

He is an audience of 1.

A spades a spade.

 

To your info, The Countach,toasters or not,to many people,was always a Gold chain car.I grew up in Europe,and had plenty of friends with plenty of money wich would not be caught dead in one,the word embarrasing,was often used, and as we all know,the Euro cars did not have toasters.Mowing on,that was then,this now,30 years have passed,and Those of us who loves it for all the right reasons,(poss also a few of the haters back then) understand also the importance and significance of this amazing car,any model any variant any engine. Period, this discussion is merely aboat its differences,and similarities. The qv engine was in no doubt what this car needed,all agree, but to claim the internals where better engineered in one variant than the other is plain silly, Block, heads, transmission diff,and so on where casted in the same foundery, the internals such as crank,pistons rods where engineered as properly in both variants, the fuelie tiny less comp,but also lighter pistons(machining off top) iow,its designed to fit the charcter of the fi, not worse or better,but right for the said application.the crank got differen oil channels,wich is better,who knows,beeing the fi came later,i would assume they learned something from the carbed cars,and improved upon the old oilingdesign.Camshaft where also designed to the Bosch fi system and its character, agressive or not.who knows,it was designed to work with the fi, lots of engineering, at the end they did get 420 hp with cats and extremly crappy exhast manifolds, think about this for a second. To claim the carbed qv where engineered better than the fi engine is almost retarded, silly, stupid. Both variants vhere buildt to perform with their given induction.

 

And for the record,the fia homologation might sound good, but in reality ,this car was never intended to race anywhere. The factory knew this, but i respect its coolnes for those who think it matters, i am pretty shure if Lamborghini had any intentions of racing the Countach in the late 80s it would not have been with carburators, nobody did,period

 

Im glad you THINK you know what they were thinking 30 years ago. You must be right, how could I question it! The internet troll is an elusive creature but it seems theres one hiding under this bridge.

You bring absolutely nothing to the conversation talking about the Downdraft and most of the Lamborghini here for that matter. There is a thread for the FI. Go populate that thread with useful information. If you are so sure about things being a certain way in Italy in the 80's why dont you put in the effort to find out for yourself? Oh yeah, cause thats been done and your just wrong hoping and wishing the opposite.

Im pretty sure many cars went 24 hours straight full blast for decades and decades. But I guess you forgot that whole era? If you didnt forget it then surly you understand the importance of a race inspired, FIA approved, 4 cam, 4 valve, 6 Weber 12cyl engine that was a swan song for that era? A unicorn build?

Now please go to the FI thread to discuss the BOSCHED car from here on out... I think its been enough for all parties who come here for the views and the knowledge.

 

each on their own,what i do know,these cars where buildt in the same place ,by the same engineers,with just as much effort and skills as poss, beeing the importance of the US market,and bussiness minded leadership,i doubt they would skimp in this. Just my two cents, by the way,your post needs to be a lttle more creative, sonds like you got your head stuck in a certain persons behind,lol

 

A very nice and regularly used DD QV.
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Ok, lets break this argumentative conversation and get back on the Down Draft track please...

 

We’ve been on a downdraft kick for 2 decades. If anything maybe ask joe if something I said in the past resonated with him? Been pretty vocal well before this thread started. It’s my favorite car and I see it for what it is and always have.

 

Let's get something straight... Valentino's exact words were... "Homolagation " (he laughed)....." Meaningless" As for my audience, its quite a bit bigger than you let on.

Im fairly certain that other than Joe being BEST FRIENDS with "Vale" , Andrew more than likely has the second closest relationship with him and can confirm. As it seems Andrew already backed up my torque statement that I mentioned months ago, that Joe dismissed... But stay tuned!! Good things are coming!

 

Just because you like it, does not make it better.

 

Ok well, just because Vale says its meaningless DOES NOT MEAN IT IS SO!!!

Obviously it is or they would be priced similarly. Obviously many factory workers think so too. And you know RoW buyers stay away from the FI cars for some reason. If they were better cars wouldn't you think they would come here to get them especially since they are smaller in prod numbers? Kind of like IDK maybe Americans importing the DD for some reason? Your logic on this subject is seriously flawed but your entitled to your opinion. Just look at the facts not what he or she says. Vales a great guy, met him in Caramel during Monterrey with my wife 5-6 years ago at Midnight on the street of all places. Just walking with his wife. We stopped and chatted about Lamborghinis and in mentioning the DD and he just looked and told me point blank thats his favorite. So maybe he was being nice to me, just as he was to you? Or maybe thats exactly what he believes? Who knows and really who cares.

 

Valentino does feel that the Fuellie has great torque and performance, and certainly much more than any other variant besides the DD in stock configuration. This isn't a point of contention, it's a fact that's been proven many times over the years PERIOD. With 420bhp it sits comfortably ahead of any other Countach besides its Euro sister.

Valentino wasn't just being nice, the DD is his favorite Countach dead stop.

Your opinions stand independently of each other as far as I'm concerned!

 

The fi dd comparo has not been done, and the 288 gto was fuel injected

 

This is all true but unfortunately a jump from 9.3 :1 compression to 9.5 :1 is good for Two or Three horsepower......

Lamborghini developed these engines around their fuel delivery, hence the slightly milder cams which move the torque curve down in the Fuel Injected car to suit its breathing limits. So while Fuel injection was developed in order to make the cars more friendly, the other changes (which are minor) are supporting modifications to optimize each motor.

In reality the power deltas come down to Headers vs Manifolds & Cats vs No Cats, that's worth 30-40bhp.

What separates the two motors for me is their character. The DD feels higher strung and more linear in it's delivery, building well past 7500 RPM. Its configuration means that you can add hotter cams and racy cylinder heads.

There's something special about a 4 valve V12 with 6 double barrels bulging through the hood and that'll always be a plus for enthusiasts.

All that said, anyone who's compared DD vs FI with Countach's or LM's will know that they're very similar performance wise when configured equally, they just go about their jobs in different manners.

Just my 2 cents as someone who loves both cars!

 

C mon ,grown men? Really ,