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Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

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  1. joe sackey

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    That's GLA12923, Paul was just talking to me about his run today, boxed muffler by the way.
     
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    On the Registry front, anyone know of any more owners (besides Wilhelm H) who purchased their Downdraft new and still have it?

    You can contact me offline if you don't want to post.

    TIA

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  4. Just an effort before merging the two threads & renaming it the QV thread. Nils said ban him from this thread, not the site. 24 hours is just a gentle nudge.
     
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    #8980 joe sackey, Jun 26, 2018
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    Understood, still funny the way he asked for it though.

    Merging the threads & renaming it QV thread will do zip for your moderating problem caused by the consistently trolling actions of two (2) people who would still troll, unless you are prepared to moderate with the aforementioned gentle nudge or two. I don't mean to tell you how to run your show, but the problem is obvious and solution is simple.

    For my part, where the QV is concerned, whether the Downdraft thread lives on, gets renamed to the QV thread, or simply gets put into the giant Countach thread, I will continue to post informative, useful, and on-topic posts aimed at appreciating the Downdraft, that's where my Countach interests lie at this point in my life, and that's why I started this resource & appreciation thread. The Downdraft subject-matter is clearly of interest to people worldwide, the almost half-a-million views this thread has attracted in just 2.5 years speak for itself. All is good.
     
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    #8981 joe sackey, Jun 26, 2018
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    Someone pointed out this image (one of my all-time favorite automotive images) should simply be captioned:

    Downdrafts - 3387 GT & HLA12065.

    The 250 GTO uses 6 Weber 38 DCN Downdraft carburetors and the Countach uses 6 Weber 44 DCNF Downdraft carburetors, a classic sports car induction formula for the ages

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    If I may make a plea for keeping the threads separate. They seem to serve a very different purpose.
     
  8. GraemeS

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    I agree they really are very different cars in their own right, and so should have their own section ,and I don't even own one yet.
     
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    #8984 Ciro Izzo, Jun 27, 2018
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    Please do not merge the threads. I ( and I know many others) appreciate all Countach variants . It’s enjoyable to visit each thread separately to learn and keep up with the latest posts. The FI thread has a chance if they attempt to mirror the Downdraft informative, professional format. If we would like the Countach to be taken more seriously with new collectors and enthusiasts , it would be a smart move to stick to information that provides a welcoming attitude. If I was a Ferrari enthusiast following the threads and considering my first Countach, I would think twice about joining the ranks after seeing the anger and confusion.

    The market sets the price, the factory set the specs years ago. It would be normal for a collector to consider the most powerful and beautiful(no add on bumpers etc) version of the QV which would drive values up higher than an FI spec. The fuel injected car is so very important in its own right. And priced at such a bargain today. If you take out the anniversary (I like them as well) and consider multiple ownership, there are + - 1000 non Anniversary Countach owners on the planet. Congratulations and stay grateful every time you see, hear, share and drive what was probably once just a dream.
     
  10. Well what is obvious to one, might not be to another...

    In regards to the two, if you stopped putting your finger in the cage - you might not get bit. It's not my show by any stretch. I'm an enthusiast first & here to help second.

    As far as merging it is just a thought & I'm always open to suggestions from anyone.
     
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    As an casual enthusiast I would prefer the two threads be merged into one and renamed “QV”. I think it might encourage more traffic and change the tone of the discussions for the better. Some of the posts seem to be written with such hostility they are barely decipherable to me in the end and I just scroll past them.
     
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    That’s because they deserve to be separated. Merge them and it will be worse imho. If just TWO people relax and stay out it becomes a pleasant thread. They are also very different cars.... should be separate
     
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    In stock form the cars are very different. Quite simple.
     
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    By that logic:

    Should we split the LM002 & Anniversary thread into FI and DD? Or perhaps completely dismantle the Countach thread into 400S series 1 &2 and 400S series 3? Then we'll need a thread or two for the 5000S I guess ;) Maybe the 99 SV should be separated as well. Same would go for the SE30 & Jota...... I kid of course, please don't actually do this.

    Both threads seem to be more constructive on their own, and I enjoy both of them, so keep them separate. All that said, these cars are all closely related and my favorite thread was always the original Countach thread!
     
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    Couldn't agree more. The Downdraught and FI QV threads should remain separate. We already have a general Countach thread.
     
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    True, but it's always a two-way street, and anyone who voluntarily enters an obvious resource & appreciation thread to challenge or disparage without any material or data that is verifiable, does so to troll, and to the extent that this happens, their protests will naturally be met with rebuttal.

    Solution?

    If you have no business here (in other words if you don't appreciate the Downdraft) don't do it here. Very simple.

    There are many Lamborghinis I havent the slightest interest in, so I don't visit those threads, and for example if someone started up say an LP400 thread, I would only go on there if I had something positive to say, something to contribute, or a question to ask. If I had a criticism, it would be constructive and fact-based supported with material, illustrations or data.

    This simply comes down to the behavior of two people that is not appreciated.

    All that said, I certainly appreciate what you do to maintain order.
     
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    #8996 joe sackey, Jun 27, 2018
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    Here are our ceramic-coated headers, image taken when the engine was on the bench during the restoration, the
    exhaust unit was also ceramic-coated to a matching finish

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    Having been a long to me Countach owner of over 20 years, and owning both a DD and two FI cars, I started the FI thread hoping the FI owners and enthusiasts could have a great forum. I ask those who participated to enjoy talking about the FI, which, when you factor the significantly lower price, could be considered as a value favorite. What I also asked was for individuals owners, who obviously had a hang up with the DD, to stop the sniping and pretending relative to a DD.

    It’s good the moderators are asking people to chill out and stay in lanes bc there wasn’t much enjoyable, or insightful with the sniping on the DD.

    “Sorry joe l, I know you prefer it spelled out but there is something I like about Double Dees ;)


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    It would certainly not bode well for directing prospective clients in so called "educating themselves " on the Countach. As for the half million views, it will die, just as the 25th Anniversary thread did, once you sold it. BTW, in the Anniversary thread, you said that the Anni was so much better than any other Countach, that if you sold it, you would need to immediately buy another. When is it coming?
     
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    A good Countach but a not-so-good GTO....
     
  25. joe sackey

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    #9000 joe sackey, Jun 28, 2018
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    This thread was created as an appreciation & resource thread, it has already educated many people on the Countach and more specifically the QV. Bear in mind the information on the Downdraft I have shared has almost always been information-specific and filled with useful data, images, illustrative and documentary material, and, I have little doubt that much of it has already been saved, so even if the threads were merged, it'll still exist, plus, using the search function, it all comes right up anyway. It's out there, it won't disappear. Added to that, as Ive already stated, additional updated & received Downdraft content will always continue to be forthcoming from me regardless of where it needs to be posted. That's what matters, the views per se are simply an indication of the Downdraft's popularity. The Countach thread I also started has almost 3 million views, and I daresay any thread where useful fact-based material is deposited will become much-viewed. There is simply a desire for quality content from good sources.

    BTW the 25th Anniversario thread is still doing nicely, I still post in it occasionally, and it has almost 300,000 views, that's a lot better than say, the Fuelie thread.

    As for the forthcoming 25th, don't hold your breath, it's not coming. From what I have been told, you have sold many a car and moved on, have you not? Rhetorical question.

    Again, let me re-state this analogy for you:

    In 2015 ago Bob Baffert said American Pharoah was the greatest horse he'd ever trained.
    In 2018 Bob Baffert said Justify is the greatest horse he's ever trained.
    Two statements, both entirely true, based on the time they were made.

    Let me try another perhaps more relevant analogy:

    Gianfranco Innocento had his beloved special-order Miura SV at last, one of the last built.
    One day, when he brought the SV back to the factory to be serviced, he saw the Countach LP400.
    The SV immediately fell out of his favor and soon thereafter he replaced it with a new Countach and promptly forgot all about it.

    It happens.

    I can barely remember the 25th, and to be honest after getting this particular Downdraft and restoring it, I don't think I'd want to look at the bird's-nest of wires of a Fuelie engine again. If I get another Countach it will be carbureted - my choice. Perhaps the 25th was better than any Countach I had 5 years ago, but things are different now. I moved on, I saw the light, I found the one, I discovered something better, it doesn’t mean the information I share now is any less valid or contradicts what I have shared in the past. People mature, they learn, they progress, they advance, it's healthy.

    I love it John!

    Good post by the way, thank you for making it.
     

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