Wedge shaped cars are my favorites, which is one reason why I prefer the 348 over the F355. The Spider versions of these cars especially.
I have always been a big fan of the TR, especially the 512TR. Not an ugly line and only 2261 ever build and I am not sure home many made it to the states. Beautiful...especially in silver. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
512TR appears “cleaner”, “oriented” and it is far more beautiful than the M. The M just appears pieced together and uncoordinated in my opinion. No offense to the M just my opinion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
All prices are off now, so it may be a good time to buy. A Euro drysump 308GT4 is truley somehting special, more so than a glass 308, but try find a good one. If Miuras are over 1 mil, and Daytonas 700K then a BB is in theory next to appreciate. But look at the market, BB'S were in the low 100's for 15 years took off in 13 breached 400k and have settled back into the 200's. Well its a sign that in the next runup they can go to 500k. 550's are also a great bet, last front engined v12 with a stick. Its all about the stick.. 355s are excellent, but what will it cost to keep till the runup and what will you be left with. Same with a 456. 458's will one day be worth a lot, the first trueley beutiful ferrari in long time, and it seems not to be repeated for a while when it comes to styling. If youre buyign a car looking for a runup be aware the car market works in 10 year cycles and your chosen car may not be reckognised in the next cycle, either way you need a decade long horizon.
The only TR's I care for have popup headlights, but I still say the BB's were better looking. I would love a late BBi. Had a poster of a yellow over black one in high school.
I tend to agree just bc new cars are just so much better and more reliable, but being one of the younger owners on this site Id imagine at 32, I'll say that once us "kids" have money lined up, we want our dream cars too and the reality is there just aren't alot of them to be had. Take my 575 there's maybe give or take 500 left in US after you factor in wrecked ones. Want a red one, the stats show give or take 50% were rossa corsa, so there's what 250 red 575s in the United States? How many teenagers grew up wanting that car? I know I certainly did, so the laws of supply and demand eventually kick in. I mean really look at how 1960s corvettes are selling at insane values today and check out how many were made from 1960-1970. Here is a graphic. So when you think about how many kids are out there my age or younger than wanted cars like the Murcielago or 575 which were the flagships of each brand in the early 2000s.....there's alot of kids who want those cars and there's just not that many.....the prices literally have to go up. I dont know maybe im overthinking things being an asset manager for a living and always overanalyzing everything , but to me the laws of math tilt very favorably in the favor of the 575 maranello appreciating significantly and soon imo. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well yes: try to find an Euro dry sump GT4...you will not: the Euro GT4s were all wet sump. A "Dry sump Euro GT4" simply does not exist. The only "Dry sump" 308s were the carbed GTBs, glass then steel. Rgds
I thought Gt4s had the same motor as same year 308s. in nay event a euro Gt4 is a spectacular thing. A subtle fusion of stratos and countach by the master Ghandini at the top of his game
Everyone has an opinion on the appreciation of a model. I don't think the 575 will be appreciating anytime soon. Too many 70 year old guys driving them. Never met anyone under the age of 70 even interested in the car. Combine that with the crappy F1 transmission... not too sure about that personally. Nice car, but I don't see it going anywhere. Add a recession and I don't see any car appreciating soon. I could be wrong and I hope I'm wrong.. but I don't see it happening.
Im 32 and I have one....I was a teenager when it was the dream car, most guys my age can't pay for one yet we're too buried in student debt,medical debt, buying our first home, paying for weddings, and so on. We too will one day want our dream cars just like those 70 year old men wanted theirs. I promise you there's more than 500 guys my age in the United States who dreamed of a 575 maranello. Crappy F1 system? You mean an archaic system that was the first of its kind? Yea that will never be valuable ever......espcially with how you can actually feel shifts vs the DCT today. As time goes on collectors will always want the older feel vs the new and a single disc clutch in a v12 ferrari is something they put in a few cars, with the 575 being first, and something we will never see again...... These cars are only what 13-16 years old now? They're not classic yet, they're just old now. Wait another 10-15 years when guys my age have some disposable income, they made less 575s than lots of cars you see today that have soared in value like 300SL's or Jaguar E Types and these mass produced Vettes. Plenty of young people that you don't interact with would tell you the flagship ferrari from their youth is a dream car, believe me I know Im friends with alot of those guys, so trust me its not only "70 year old men" who like it as you stated.
No, when the V8 engine appeared in 1973 (by the way, its cylinders, pistons, conrods, etc...are the same as the 365 V12, but only eight, of course, which explains that it is "only" 2926cm3, not close to 3000, as you could have expected, leaving 75cm3 "on the table") for the GT4, they were all wet-sump. Only the carbed GTBs from 1975 onwards had the dry-sump engine (which, by the way, was slightly less powerful at 230hp DIN, against 235 DIN for the GT4 engine in "Euro" version: no emission control device). Rgds
The original F1 transmissions on the 355 and the 575 were no more crappy than any other technology on these cars at the time compared to modern standards. At the time they were heralded as major technological achievements for Ferrari. Also, there is a genuine link between the F1 transmission and Scuderia Ferrari, which frankly is pretty cool. While I really love gated cars, the 355 and the 575 will always be the first Ferrari's to offer the F1 transmission, which in retrospect was a gateway technology to the Ferrari's we have today.
You make some valid points. Or a 575 may be like a Tr which was also a poster car ferrari 12 cyl flagship and has still yet to go anywhere 25 years later. I do think a 575 has a better chance than a 599.
The testarossa is a cool car, I love it, but they made 7500+ of them vs 2000 575s. Then the cost of a belt service in a testarossa is a very pricey engine out job. Who are we kidding if the testarossa and 355 had the cheap running costs of a 575 I think they’d be much higher but lots of people are put off by expensive service costs on those 2. The 575 engine doesn’t come out for belts $2500 can do it not $8-10k+
Have you ever driven new Ferrari’s? Look the f12 is the best car I’ve ever driven, I drove my friends for a weekend, but it shifts so smooth I thought I was in a rolls Royce. The new dct is awesome but in the 575 you feel like you’re driving a Ferrari, you hear shifts in the f1, you feel them, they’re not seamless like in a new car.
The 575 has a cooling hose that runs down the V and that really expesive to replace. Additionaly what do you think its going to cost to keep the electronics running, not to mention the gearbox 20 years from now. From wnhat i have read about 550s 465 and 575s keepign one long term can get really expensive. A belt service in a mechanicaly simple Tr is a doddle compared. Yes the 355 costs a fortune to keep going, thats why while ti may appreciate one day as being the best of the last etc, the cost to get there may negate any gains. My ferrari rule of thumb is 5k per year, yes some years are just simple fluid changes others more serious, but thats how it averages out.
Yes, I’ve driven a new Ferrari. Up until a month ago I had a 488 GTB for a year and I have a 488 Pista coming. I love the new cars. I also love my older cars. I appreciate what the older cars represented in their time. Saying the new cars are smooth and incredible isn’t an indictment of the older cars. Technology improves over time.
obviously its still a ferrari, its not going to be "cheap". I just paid $3800 to replace the clutch position sensor and it took almost 2 weeks. Earlier this year the car spent 5 weeks in the shop to replace 6th gear. Stuff happens, just saying if small stuff doesnt go wrong and you just do majors and annual services the 575 is significantly cheaper than a testarossa or 355 to maintain while also being much rarer. Obviously none of us know which cars will appreciate, some cars like the mondial were made in low numbers and went nowhere, but the 575 to me is one of the most beautiful cars Ferrari has ever made and with how few were made/are in the US combined with it being the flagship at the time combined with the earliest F1 system which we'll never see again, I feel like it has the right things in place to see appreciation. Will it? We don't know but I know with how few are here, there's more than enough guys my age who once dreamed of the car thats all.
Where we disagree is in the theory few were made. The 550 and 575 are essentialy the same car and there were a lot made. In any event appreciation is all about supply and demand. If your generation had them as poster cars and a lot of people want them then they'l appreciate. As I think about it, very few of your generation can drive a stick so a 575 may be more appealing to them 20 years from now than a 550.
3000 actually but how many 550 and 575 have an F1 system? just below 1800 and just 500 or so in the United States, way more have sticks if you want to combine the 2 models like that......500 cars in a nation of 350 million and growing.....come on dont tell me thats some massive supply. These aren't corvettes.