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What Is The Next Ferrari Model To Jump In Value?

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  1. F355 Fan 82

    F355 Fan 82 F1 Veteran

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    bingo! Im a car nut and was never taught how to drive a stick, would still like to at some point. 3000 550 maranellos were made and 2000 575s were made, less than 1800 or so 575 were made with the first F1 system and 500 or less of those are in the United States, the other 3200 cars between the 550/575 were sticks, so in a maranello body of the 550/575, the F1 system is technically rarer......every V12 Ferrari from here out will be a DCT or better, and what car started off the movement? The 575.....
     
  2. davidoloan

    davidoloan Formula Junior

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    Really, I don’t believe I’ve ever heard you say that before.
     
  3. davidoloan

    davidoloan Formula Junior

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    Learn to drive a manual before you lecture daily about the 575 F1 gearbox.
     
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  4. F355 Fan 82

    F355 Fan 82 F1 Veteran

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    Im just saying my piece, if you wanna disagree then disagree but I mentioned the 575 for the exact reason I said, the first V12 road car that wasn't a manual, that makes it a first. The 550 was not the first or last v12 with a stick, that would be the third to last bc the 575 had a stick and then the 599 did so why is that such a big deal? I think both cars go up, but the reality is a 575 with an F1 system is "rarer" in number than a 550 with a stick. The 355 F1 is another first and I think a future classic but its running costs are a tad bit more than the maranello, I said that too, both are awesome.
     
  5. davidoloan

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    3715 550’s.
     
  6. F355 Fan 82

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  7. Rossocorsa1

    Rossocorsa1 F1 Veteran

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    You make very valid points. I agree.
     
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  8. Clay512TR

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  9. F355 Fan 82

    F355 Fan 82 F1 Veteran

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    O yes the 512 is definitely rarer but look what you just said, more of those than 575 and they’re way higher in value than the f1 575, way higher, so there’s more proof that at $90-120k an f1 575 is probably a good buy long term. How many tr total are there between tr and 512 and 512m?
     
  10. F50gta

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    Please provide a list of cars to avoid then.
     
  11. boxerman

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    Youre using muscle car logic. where they say only 50 vettes were made in the color with Ac etc. In general the ferraris that apreciated did so becasue they either had superlative styling or were excpetional to drive or seminal vehicles. Possibly because the 575 was the first v12 paddle it could be argued it was seminal. the styling, well imo in the past few decades only the 458 has superlative styling. I dont think either the 458 or 575 are exceptional to dive though.

    In any event its interesting. Many of us find the non stick more modern ferraris a pretty bland driving experinece, really not that different to any number of other cars when behind the wheel, whereas the older ferraris are truly an engaging and full experience. However as you point out, youve never driven a stick or probably a non ps car, and nor have many of your generation. Its like food, if youre a vegetarian and never had a good steak you would never know what youre mising and would be happy with what you have. I can also see that in the future where most cars are electric, and slightly classic old school front engined V12 that you dont really need to learn how to drive could be very appealing, but then a TDF might be more appealing still. .

    Hard to say, as you say you have a different generational experience.

    Like you i got a12cyl ferrari young. I was 28 I bought my BBI, that was the poster car when I was a kid, I was looking at a 328 but to me they had no go, and Trs were still new and far more expensive, plus I didnt like the styling, I stretched to a BBI. Like your 575 the Bb was then an "affordable" 12 cyl ferrari and like you I jumped in at the top end(12 cyl). I always bought the car to drive and drive as enzo intended, never really thought about appreciation, thats not what it was for. For much of the 25 years there was little to no appreciation, and then It looked like maybe profit when they hit 400k, now prices are back down to a point where its worth what I put into it(purchase plus maitanance), if all the money were inetrest free. The main thing Is I loved having it and driving the wheels off. There are any number of other cars I could have bought back then that did far better price growth wise, you have no idea how little a miura or Lp400s or Dino were worth then.

    Drive you car, enjoy it, keep it, and maybe one day decades from now youll get all your money(purchase plus maintanace) back, but by then if you still have it for sentimental reasons you wont want to sell anyway. Point is forget about appreciation, just drive and enjoy because its unlikely to appreciate fast for decade or two.
     
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  12. F355 Fan 82

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    Well said, I dont plan on selling it, I love it and of course the TDF is more appealing to me now but the last one I saw sold for $1.5M! Ha for $90-100k you can still get a decent 575 lol
     
  13. Rossocorsa1

    Rossocorsa1 F1 Veteran

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    Can someone with credible knowledge speak to the variables that drove the values of Dino’s so significantly?
     
  14. Wade

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    You should peruse the 206/246 forum, that's where the owners and experts are.
     
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  15. vrsurgeon

    vrsurgeon F1 World Champ
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    As my friend will attest.. he was 16 when he and his friend Frankie took Frankie's dads' for a drive. That was THE car to have when he was a teenager. He's now grown and retired as an orthopedic surgeon. Seminal car, beautiful, men who coveted it have lots of money to buy it and push the price into the stratosphere. Ferrari bubbles like the last 4-5 years don't hurt. :)
    Of course, he's not buying one for $2xx,xxx, he put an order in for a 991 GTS targa.
     
  16. Rossocorsa1

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    HA, nice. The irony is that the Dino was basically a money grab for Ferrari. They didn’t even have enough pride in the car to badge it a Ferrari. Funny how things come around.
     
  17. Rossocorsa1

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    I have a 328, so full disclosure. Having said that, I would have to think that the 308/328 series will eventually rise, particularly for the finest examples. In my case, I have an 89 US GTB, which is an unusually rare car. In its time, buyers in the US just weren’t terribly interested in GTB’s and much preferred the GTS model.
     
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  18. Skippr1999

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    #68 Skippr1999, Jun 29, 2018
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    I agree. I’ve got the same car but ‘88. 180 or so ever came to the USA. At 120k, they’re already trading at a significant premium to the GTS.
     
  19. Cigarzman

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    That’s funny. I love it. :)
    488 spider at the moment. Loosing money as we speak.
    458 spider sold . Lost money
    430 spider sold. Lost money
    Mondial cab sold. Lost money
     
  20. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Less than that: probably 135.

    Rgds

    That being said...1344 GTB were produced, against 1315 F40. Those F40 are still trading at a premium, aren't they?
     
  21. bnels2348

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    Totally agree and to piggy back on that I could see Super America’s jumping in advance.


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  22. Mistico

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    5 years ago I was looking for a 348 1st version (the last project signed by Enzo Ferrari), but I could not find one in acceptable conditions (I leave outside Europe).
    Next in line was to import a car 30 years old one. Cost/opportunity and future considerations made me to go for the ferrari dino 308 gt4 1st version 1974. After visiting many cities in central and north Italy I bought it in Rome and exported. White Polo Park.
    My reasoning was: 1. first ever 8 cylinders engine conceived just before the 1st petrol crisis (even the last 488 derives from it);2. 1st version; 3. only Ferrari Bertone body; 4. 4 seaters; 5. middle engine weighting exactly 50/50; 6. unloved; 7. Alfredino (who imagined it) "trademark", the heart of Enzo; 8. extremely undervalued; 9. body shape absolutely of the '70, conceived just before the 1st petrol crisis; 10. can be driven every day. Although in good conditions (1st owner held it for 14 years, 2nd for 26, I am the third) I restored it completely.
    It seems that critics and review are now taking all of it in consideration.
    I will never sell it and it became just part of my profile.
    Mistico
     
  23. Rossocorsa1

    Rossocorsa1 F1 Veteran

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    Sounds amazing. Please post some photos.
     
  24. Shark01

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    Totally agree.....even if the 70 year old theory is wacky. You have a more desirable car (by far) preceding it that was the re-birth of the Daytona with a great gated shifter and the car following it with MUCH more power and better everything else. The best hope for a 575 (non-SA and manual) is the 550 and/or 599 carrying it to higher levels. There is certainly nothing unique or special about it to set a trend on its own....

    The next to jump IMO are the recent special edition track focused cars (CS, Scud, etc)....lots of demand, not much supply. Lots of car for under $200k.
     
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  25. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Define jump...above the stock market? Just better than inflation? Or double the price of the trough/depreciation bottom no matter the time frame?

    The largest % gains I see next is the Speciale. The Scud imo is nice, but IMO will never be as desirable as the CS or Speciale. The CS is a tough act to follow and the Speciale is just perfect in looks, sound, and performance.

    I think the Pista is really nice, but I feel when it's all said and done there will be far too many of them and with super low miles. That amount of supply of like-new cars will hinder the price from going up over other investments.
     

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