What Is The Next Ferrari Model To Jump In Value?

OK you sell yours and I'll keep mine.

 

Is it though? ... Is it?

 

Oh, it is.....

 

Nothing unique except for being the first V12 road car ferrari ever made with an F1 system. Ferrari made how many stick v12s before the 575? ALOT, how many cars can say they had the first ever F1 system put in a Ferrari V12? In the US about 500 or less considering there is a stick 575 on EBAY now and the owner says its 1 of 77 made and we know less than 600 total 575's came to the US to begin with

I know alot of you guys joke about how "bad" the F1 system is, its funny because you guys are ignoring what collectors tend to go after down the road and that is inefficient systems like say carburetors vs electronic fuel injection, yes one is way better but people still go for the more inefficient one now and they will down the road too especially when you consider every 12 cylinder Ferrari from now into the long future will have some form of a non stick system powering it and the precursor to all those system was the "inefficient" F1 system in the 575. Yes the 550 is worth more today and more engaging for many of you, but what happens when there are no more stick shift enthusiasts left in the United States, not saying abroad bc I don't know if they teach that over there still, but the percentage of guys 35 and under who know how to drive a stick is nominal at best and the percentage of those who want a stick shift Ferrari is even smaller.

You guys aren't thinking as investors, Im an asset manager, so you have to take a longer term approach when you're considering "investments" and the concept that sticks will trade at this significant premium in 50 years is insane because there just will not be that many capable of driving sticks and there will be even less capable of driving sticks and enthusiasts of Ferrari the brand. Anyone and everyone can drive the F1 system in the 575 from now and until forever, it takes no skill to push the "A" button in a 575 and go into automatic mode.

So there is something indeed very special about the 575 and that is the fact that it was the first V12 Ferrari ever that didn't require you to be skilled with a stick to operate and it will forever be the car that made that happen and in the United States especially that is a HUGE deal.

 

Based on what early 90s 911s are selling for I have no clue what the next "it" Ferrari will be.

 

No kidding....

 

Why the comparison? Have been spending some time looking at 993s, and there are alot of them under $50k....still less than the Ferraris of the same era.

 

This is why.
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-993-carrera-rs/1995/541451?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Classic%20Driver%20Daily%201772018&utm_content=Classic%20Driver%20Daily%201772018+CID_ab80302bcf0821b47a4c5051a07785bb&utm_source=newsletter

 

Yeah, but complaining about pricing on rare special editions is like complaining about F40s or Miuras, or Carrera GTs. High dollar Porsches are nothing new (959 or '73 RS).

 

Our generation are generally not into cars and all things mechanical in the way that the previous generations were. So the general population are of no relevance to old and interesting cars. However, the small percentage who are car enthusiasts will learn to drive a manual and probably already have. Its not rocket science. If you can already drive, it takes 15 minutes, plus a little extra time to become smooth.

Do we use our ears or our calculators to judge the sound quality of a 250 GTO? I like tech, I have bought 3 "vintage" apple computers this year for no sensible reason other than enthusiasm. However, I can still appreciate everything mechanical. The car was designed for the manual gearbox. Ferrari built 3715 550's with a manual gearbox, before they gave it a facelift for the 575 and introduced the first gen F1 gearbox. The manual is the one to have. Its a much better drivers car. Learn to drive one. You can't lecture from a position of knowledge when you cannot drive a manual car. Its silly.

Well thank **** for that.

And by the way any young enthusiast interested in a 550 will spend the 15 minutes to learn how to use the gearbox. Except for you, I can imagine you in ten years time turning down an F40 because you can't work its gearbox.

 

All these young buyers are driving the values of these Porsches up, and yet they can't even drive them because they have manual gearboxes. They must just look at them and ponder.

 

That 911 is just a variant, not an F40/959.

 

From talking to those who drive them, the M is the way to go.

 

Without being obnoxious, I think the 1st generation F1 will be appreciated in the future for historic significance and driving experience. My 355 is F1 and I love it. Many of the guys who diss the F1 either haven’t driven one, are closed minded, or don’t know how to properly drive one. They are a blast and much more engaging than DTC. Manually blipping the throttle on downshifts is phenomenal. That characteristic alone is unique to the F1 system. No other car will ever be made to do that. To call the F1 system inefficient is nuts. What does that say about the efficiency of a clutch pedal ?
I have several manuals and several F1. They are both great.

 

They built 3,083 550's you keep throwing out that 3700 number and its not true, the maranello bodystyle had give or take 5000 made total, less were built with the F1 system whether you agree with it or not. The F1 system was a GIANT leap forward at the time, Ferrari built thousands of stick cars with a V12 before the 575 came out, so forever in history the 575 will always be a groundbreaking car whether davidoloan agrees or doesnt. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to learn to drive a manual, but the realities are its hard to practice today when so few cars have a manual transmission. If I really cared enough to do it I would learn, but its not really a big deal to me I've had an E gear Murcielago, I still have an SLR, and a 575, I can still enjoy exotics without driving a stick and lucky for me its a lot cheaper than paying 3x the price for a 575 with a stick.

 

Thank you skip, the F1 in the 575 is awesome, lots of people put it down but its ridiculous.As time goes on there wont be many stick drivers out there, thats just fact, previous generations learned to drive on manuals, mine didnt, the only way you're 35 or younger and know how to drive a stick is bc your parents had one and taught you on it, there just aren't many that had that luck my age, way under 3% of our population. People 50-60 years old now most know how to drive a stick, they grew up on them.

 

You’re like a walking talking calculator.

 

OK, then think about 599 GTO, Speciale Aperta, 575 SA, 660 Barchetta, 16M....all variants worth WAY more than that 911

 

Here's my prediction... 575's will be worth $70k on trade in (I'll give $80 to factor inflation) in 10-20 years. The exact same amount of money you'd get today on trade in. Wanting a car to be collectable and trying to justify it can done for ANY model. Heck.. even the mass produced 360 has had attrition of 1xxx cars due to collision on wrecked exotics. So that is an indication it will be collectable in 20 years as blues skyrocket. If all these metrics were to hold true the 928 would be a six figure car. Putting aside inflation I lost money on the one I had that I owned for 18 years. 550/575 isn't iconic for Ferrari to the layman. As the F1 systems age they don't get more reliable. Rather the opposite. Wait till the actuators need to be rebuilt on the fleet in 10-15 years. 360's are starting to show their colors...

 

So true....one guy wishing and pushing the SAME misguided point OVER & OVER does not a market make. Hyping a car in between two BETTER cars is just not logical, except if pushing "the tide raises all boats" theory, which has not been a part of the glorification of the 575 F1 cars.

I'm a big Scuderia fan, in fact, that is my #1 target for a next car.....however, I'm not of a mind to argue with people who say the Challenge Stradale and the 458 Speciale will be better long term investments, because the CS (ala 550) was first and the most iconic and the Speciale (ala 599) does everything better.....

 

I remember driving my 330 GTC. I had to double clutch to upshift into fifth. Truthfully, maybe I didn't. But I don't control my left foot. When it doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel right.

Dude, we're dinosaurs. We're just waiting for that meteorite to hit the Gulf of Mexico.

 

As long as we have Bruce Willis, we're going to be OK.

 

Here’s a period review of the F1 gearbox:

“feels like technology for the sake of technology, it’s depriving the driver of some of the experience, the thrill of driving a Ferrari”.

 

I can appreciate those who have a romantic obsession with the past. I too love the gated days. My 328 is very important to me and the visceral sensation is classic Ferrari. That said, it's just that, "classic". It's a bygone time. Accept it. If you haven't noticed, they don't exist in a modern Ferrari and haven't for a long time. There are elements in 250's and 275's that I love but I wouldn't want them in a modern car. The F1 transmission in the 355, then the 575 were the threshold into the modern era. Will that translate into collector desire over time? I believe so, but nobody really knows.

 

Period review

Jason Plato : “I’m in automatic mode at the moment and even though I’m not a fan of the semi automatic gearbox in manual mode, I’d rather have a manual gearstick”