What Is The Next Ferrari Model To Jump In Value?

Well, I think he’s generally quite well regarded.........

 

In the future (current?) world of hybrid this ,electric that,auto,hell even driverless cars,one can only imagine the value of a manual transmission Ferrari .

They will all be priceless.

 

Yes, but only to those of us over the age 36.

 

If we are still here

 

Ok so the Enzo and laferrari wont be desirable either down the road bc they're not sticks? Pretty much no great car from the last decade on was made with a stick, will none of those be classics either? I get it sticks are cool, im sure they're awesome but simple math tells us that an incredibly small amount of society under the age of 35 can drive one, the amount of those under 35 that can drive one that wants a ferrari with a stick over a corvette,lamborghini,etc with a stick is even smaller. The amount of people alive today that can drive a stick has peaked and is on the decline.....in the US....not overseas, but in the US market. You're a savvy guy, you're also 60-70 years old or possibly even older, I can understand why you like sticks, but you have to understand where we're headed as a society and stick enthusiasts are going to be few and far between down the road. Meanwhile the amount of people that can drive an an F1 575 will far outnumber the amount of people that can drive a manual 575 in say 2050 in the United States. That makes the potential buyer pool much larger. Today the buyer pool of manuals is enormous, but declining.

 

Somebody stage an intervention for F355 fan1982 involving a track day and a Caterham Super 7.

 

David what percent of americans today do you believe can drive a stick and what percent do you think will be able to handle a stick in say 2050?

This from 2016 pegged it at 18% of americans could drive a stick, I'd be willing to venture in 2050 it will be well under 1%, I hope you're alive then so we can discuss this again, I'll be 64 if I make it that far so even that isn't guaranteed.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/10/11/report-only-18-percent-of-americans-can-drive-manual/

 

After conducting my own studies I believe that 100% of enthusiastic young motorists, excepting your good self of course will spend the 15 minutes to learn to drive a manual, if it means that can drive or buy something old and cool.

The general population will not care in the slightest.

I’ve also found that all young people can all work their record players, and they are fiddly as ****. So that bodes well.

 

A friend of mine got into record players in his late 20s. He liked going into the music stores in Washington, DC and finding old vinyl to listen to. He had boxes of the stuff by the time I moved out the city. I've considered getting a record player and getting the stuff I listen to on vinyl more for fun. I probably couldn't tell the difference in quality vs CD/MP3, but I do like the size of vinyl and the case art. I don't listen to many artists so my collection wouldn't be that large...

 

Obviously it takes no time to learn a manual, but you sure you want to practice for 15 minutes before you get behind the wheel of a $3m 275 GTB? Or do you need to buy a manual car and practice for a little bit longer? I guess just going out and practicing for 15 minutes as you said means i'll be ready to handle an F50 right away. 15 minute supercar lessons, love it. Where will these people all be practicing these 15 minute lessons in another 20 years when less than 3% of cars made today are sticks, will that number bump up more or less in the coming 20 years?

 

I'm a musician and I had an epic vinyl collection. Lost most of it in a flood, and replaced everything with CD's. Then iTunes and the iPod came along and I ripped them into my Mac and took them with me. I still do not stream. Zero interest in it. Much prefer to make playlists of my own collection.

I still drive from San Antonio to Denton every couple of years to go through the CD bins at Recycled Records and Books. There are still things that are not on the internet.

Oh, and I'm sixty.

 

I’m 50 and still have 4 crates of vinyl and a turntable to play them. Never got rid of it. It’s all dance music and I pull them out when I have a party. I mostly stream from my iPad now though. I also have 2 manual Porsches and manual 355. I’m actually surprised by young people quite often. I think we underestimate millennials. Some of them seem to be as exhausted with technology as I am.

 

Look at your post. It’s full of numbers again. You can drive any manual car after 15 mins. You just have to be slow and steady until you get used to it. And remember if you get in a panic that when you dip the clutch all power is removed and you use the brake to slow down.

And yes, you would enjoy driving an F50 very slowly, and you would get faster and smoother all the time, and soon you would be double declutching, rev matching downshifts and going straight from 5th to 2nd and pretending to be Ayrton Senna.

Of course you could just practice in an old MX5 or BMW 3 series.

 

The time range for millennial is not firm, but I'm one of the earlier ones. I had Facebook in 2004 (then called The Facebook) and dumped it after it turned into ads all over. I'm getting tired of my Google cell phone listening to my conversations and giving ads based on keywords (yes, it's a real thing). Tonight I tried finding a couple movies on Netflix I like with my brother's account and of course they don't have it...glad I don't pay for that junk service. I am pretty tired of all the tech and voice activated stuff now...it was much better in the 90s and early 00s.

 

Oh yeah, I have over 800 DVD's too. Been collecting them since about Y2K when I got my first Mac with a DVD/ROM drive. No BluRay since a Superdrive won't play them.

My Macs - I have five; three Minis and two Pros - are my entertainment hubs, and have been since that first Mac desktop, which was an OS 9 G4 450 Cube.

I like that paradigm and keep everything outside of the Cloud, which I'm not crazy about.

 

I have owned a DINO for about 5 years so I bought it before the last big jump on value(and at the time I paid top dollar for a 98.5 point car) . In any case the car is one of the most beautiful cars built if you look at the lines of the 246GT to me they are perfection.. The car is the only V6 mid engine production car ever built by Ferrari ... The first time I saw one in PERSON I knew I had to have one someday and 20 years later I did... they are VERY small when you are driving it but somehow have more room inside then most modern Ferraris and it has a trunk in fact two that could carry all sorts of stuff... re power is only around 200 hp with most having a little less .. and to top it off it is a blast to drive ... not fast but perfect....
re value they doubled within 2 months of me buying mine and now they are on the rise again....you say why they are everything a classic sports car should be plus .......

re the 550 /575 story who knows I have owned a Barchetta nice car and currently own a 550 nice car also .. I have owned it for about 6 years. I feel one day it will be worth more then I paid for it ... but problem is the Daytona was the last GT car built by Ferrari from the early 70s till 96 or so .. so Ferrari went 25 years without a front engine 2 seat V12 GT car..so I understand why the Daytona. is worth more but now days Ferrari has been making front engine v12 2 seat cars continually from 1996 through today and each new car is better then the older car....
so what happens to 550/575 who knows I think they will never be worth LESS then they are today...

 

My son and daughter are 24-25... both prefer manuals. The son says automatics are "for people who don't really know how to drive."

 

My comment was in regards to F575s with F1 transmission. Frankly, I suspect F1 cars will be the least desirable. The comparison is to when electronic fuel injection first came out, the first gen were problematic. But now nobody even mentions carburetors anymore, much less knows how to start one.

Said another way, I suspect the Ferraris with DCTs will appreciate more than the F1 cars, even though they are newer. There is that much of a difference.


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Annnnnnd the comparison train just jumped the tracks and ran off a cliff......

 

Your kids are the children of an enthusiast, thats why. Have your son or daughter ever sat in rush hour traffic in a manual in a major city? I have a feeling they have not and would not enjoy the stop and go in a manual, go spend an hour trying to move 5 miles in houston at 5 pm and your kids will see why 97% of cars built today have an automatic transmission.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/laautoshow/la-fi-hy-disappearing-stick-shift-20161115-story.html

 

Does Cincinnati count?

 

I daily a 328xi manual wagon. 40 miles/50 to 60 minutes each way. Sure, crawling it in miles of 5mph traffic sucks (the times it happens) but it sucks in any car.

The enjoyment I get with the manual trans far outweighs any slight inconvenience traffic is. I have zero desire for an automatic.

 

I just googled its the 65th largest city in the US??? Population 298k ? Are you serious? I think there are 298,000 people sitting on the beltway in houston at 5 pm daily.

 

I believe you, I said im sure its a blast, but what I've been saying this whole thread is its an art that is simply not taught anymore and it will never be taught again in large quantities. I learned to drive in 2002 and it wasn't taught back then. When I took driving school it was strictly automatics. So unless you have somebody around you with a manual to teach you, it wasn't going to happen. My dad had a 355 back then when I was 16, but he damn sure didn't let me practice on it haha.

 

Erm... Yeah. Try Googling the county, and the adjacent ones in the suburbs. And for funsies, add the thru-traffic for I75.