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  1. crinoid

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    You said this. He actually didn’t. He posted an abstract statement. We are in the Kimi forum not the Kimi Sucks forum and V12 Speciale and I are stating facts about his career that are positive. TufizoOU812 wants to change the subject.
     
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  2. tifoso2728

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    Kimi would be an excellent Stig. Eloquent prose is not required for that gig.
     
  3. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    One thing for sure, Kimi would not end up in F eeewww with all the other rejects.
     
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  4. NeuroBeaker

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    Oh, come on, don't be obtuse. Everyone knew what he meant. :rolleyes:

    I get that you were extolling Kimi's virtues over a long and wonderful career - my wife and I are both huge Räikkönen fans ourselves. However, some people expected more than was delivered in recent years and so are not as enamored with present performance. They might respect Kimi's championship for Ferrari, but see the need for fresh blood. The point of a forum is to discuss these things, not get outraged every time we encounter an opinion that differs from our own.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  5. nerofer

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    Yes: Leclerc driving a Ferrari in 2019 would be a good thing for Ferrari; would it be a good thing for Charles Leclerc also, I'm not that sure. It is very risky for a young driver with a small experience; the job of Scuderia Ferrari driver is one of the most exposed in the world. Failure is not an option (Remember Sergio Perez at McLaren in 2013, he got somewhat burned by not living up to the expectations, and this is small beer in comparison to Ferrari)

    Rgds
     
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  6. Bas

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    Exactly. If his car didn't break down and had pit stop failures (neither his fault), he'd be a lot closer in the championship.

    ****, if Ocon didn't ram into him in Baku he'd be even closer as he'd probably have won that given what happened later in the race!
     
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  7. V12 Speciale

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    agree. Since Kimi returned to Ferrari in 2014 there have been a lot of team screw ups of mechanical break downs. Gosh O remember 2016, it seemed he couldn't catch a break. I remember the US GP when he was doing so well and pulled into the pits to get tires. When he was released they cross thread a wheel nut and the race was over for him just like that.....

    But people seem to forget all that. They just look at his points count and thats it. Or they forget that 2014 he was basically driving a car setup/designed for Alonso.
     
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  8. Bas

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    2014 was strongly rumoured he was focusing on sorting the car out for coming year, since they weren't in the game and certainly Kimi wasn't....Look how much the car improved YoY
     
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  9. tifoso2728

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    If, if, if, if . . . . . If's don't count in the results column.
     
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  10. V12 Speciale

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    ok.......BUT.......you would'y say that Bottas sucks because he hasn't won a GP this year compared to Hamilton.

    ......since he had two DNF's that caused him the win. "IF" that didn't happen he would be a lot further ahead so his low points score this year is not all his fault. Kimi gets a DNF due to team **** up or mechanical issues and its his fault to many people
     
  11. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Ifs actually do count when it comes to signing drivers and how much you pay them. Final points standings don't determine how good a driver actually is. And it's a two-way street. The teams know how good the cars are and how good the drivers are. Why didn't JV get huge contracts and opportunities for a good seat? They knew he won a WDC due to the car. Why does Alonso get paid so well even though he gets no results? Everyone knows it's the car. Teams look at a driver's performance all the time and figure in the "ifs." There's nothing wrong with us doing the same in a DISCUSSION FORUM.
     
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  12. jcurry

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    ah no, because IF Max and DR had not mixed up Vettel would have won one of those, easily. But guess what, Bottas DID DNF and DR tangled with Max, and you can't change that.

    That's not the point. You can't say so and so would have won IF such and such did not happen.
     
  13. tifoso2728

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    Of course, IF the Mercedes duo didn't both retire Kimi would not have been on the podium in Austria. So, if you're going to if . . . . . . they do work both ways, don't they? Remember, Kimi did go backwards after the first lap . . . again.
     
  14. Bas

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    Ah, got you. One of them types that claims a driver is bad because a car breaks down.

    Sound logic!
     
  15. Bas

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    Erm no. Did you forget that Elton ruined his tyres in rapid period? Vettel even overtook him. Logically speaking Bottas would've suffered from the same problem, but lets be fair and say he did not and simply managed tyres better. That would still have placed Bottas 1, Ver 2 and Kimi 3rd.
     
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  16. tifoso2728

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    Maybe . . . .
     
  17. Bas

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    Not maybe. Fact.

    Fact: Lewis ruined his Soft tyres at an incredible rate. Fact: He pitted again for supers.
     
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  18. zygomatic

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    I think this may be an under-appreciated reason for Ferrari keeping Kimi into 2019. I've heard he is a very good development driver and works well with the engineers. As Ferrari chases Mercedes, I can see Kimi's inputs being considered valuable.
     
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  19. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Just one win by Kimi will put him right up there on points ...its not over yet by a loooong way.
     
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  20. johnireland

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    Coulda, woulda, shoulda...the list of never-weres and 1 and 2 time has-beens WDC are full of them. It's when you get up to the 3 time WDC that you find the really good drivers...even great drivers. Kimi is a good journeyman but that's it.
     
  21. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Good Journeyman? I think that's a lil bit harsho_O

    Master Craftsman at the very least:)
     
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  22. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    This applies to every F1 title. You need a good car to win. Currently and in the press of late major engineering talent says its the car 80% or more, so very little due to the driver.

    Kimi is inherently and at the worst times inconsistent on a regular basis. I would not employ him. You cannot count on his consistency and its been that way for years. Ferrari keep him? Fine. They dont....dont care either. His results, if's or not, speak for clearly. He will not get offers at major teams if he is released due to his lack of performance. Not the if's. The facts and numbers.
     
  23. nerofer

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    He is ranking third at the driver's championship today, meaning he is doing a good, solid job, the one for which he is actually paid. I'm still convinced he has what it takes to win one or two before the end of the year, because the speed is still there; the difference in time with his team leader is still very small.
    And OF COURSE he will not get any offer from any major team at the end of the year if he is released; neither will Fernando, by the way. Because the drivers for the "major teams", which are Mercedes and Red Bull are already signed, or on the verge to be. So the question doesn't need to be raised.
    And Kimi will be 39 in october. I don't know about you, but to be 39 and still wondering if you could be driving a Ferrari in Formula One is not a bad perspective. And if he is still enjoying himself, then getting a cheque to drive the McLaren for one year or two, why not? Not a bad alternative either. Ferrari could sign a number of drivers almost at will; they chose Kimi for the last five years. I think they knew, and know, what they are doing.

    As for myself: I was really hoping Ferrari would sign "Daniel the smiling Australian"; seems out of the question now, too bad. Now I would be delighted should they decide to sign Charles Leclerc for next year; it would be very good for Ferrari; but whether it would be good for Leclerc is an entirely different matter.

    Rgds
     
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  24. Bas

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    Oh come on. Really? A driver is only really good when he's got 3 or more titles? What total *********.

    Based on that, gilles Villeneuve was ****. Jean Alesi was ****. Alonso, with only 2 titles, is ****.

    You can't look past your own hate it seems.
     
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  25. 375+

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    You mentioned three of my favorite drivers, Bas. Add Ronnie Peterson to the list.
     
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