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Should Max get a suspension from races?

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  1. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I agree...Sky analyzed it and it was great, opportunistic driving. Kimi ran a little wide in Turn 6 because of the Merc dirty air, Max immediately took extra curb in the same corner to not be affected....this all meant he could get on throttle earlier, got his nose alongside in a very unusual spot, and had the softest of touches. It's obvious they touched but even from the onboard it's tough to see. Some here are making it seem Verstappen full on barged into Kimi...give up!

    Great race from both Kimi and Max. Ferrari a bit easier on tyres, and Max countered that by really managing the tyres in T9 and T10. It felt similar to Spain 2016 this.
     
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  2. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Jos...shut up. No driver is perfect. Sad man you are. - http://www.f1i.com/news/309389-jos-verstappen-never-criticize-maxs-aggressive-driving-style.html
    Jos Verstappen: 'Never again criticize Max's driving style'

    Max Verstappen's flawless performance in Sunday's Austrian Grand Prix proved the Dutchman's driving should not be called into question says his father Jos Verstappen.

    The 20-year-old Red Bull driver was criticized earlier this year after a string of on-track incidents and mishaps, leading many to question his approach and ability to learn from his errors.

    Before Austria however, Verstappen kept himself out of trouble after his last mistake in FP3 in Monaco, and put himself on the podium in Canada and France with perfectly executed races.

    He went one step further on Sunday thanks to a remarkable drive at the Red Bull Ring where he blended his speed with outstanding tyre management to clinch his fourth career win in F1.

    "People should never again put a question mark on Max's so-called aggressive driving style," Jos Verstappen told Dutch publication Formule 1.
     
  3. Ferris Bueller

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    Jos need to chill
    Just because Max had one good race doesn't mean he won't make another idiot move in the future
    Let's wait and see if Jos eats his words in the next few races. I hope it's not at Ferrari's expense
     
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  4. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Jos has a fathers pride in the son. Yes fine. Max is a human being and must evolve and will as an F1 racer and that might be more mistakes in the process. Arrogant nobody Jos is.
     
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  5. Bas

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    He's had great races since his FP3 Monaco mistake.

    But on the whole I agree with your point, demanding no one question his driving style ever again is a rather stupid request, what if he starts driving like Maldonado? I think people would be right to question.
     
  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Jos needs to let Max grow. Back off Jos and shut it.
     
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  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Yep. Like you said in earlier post, I get where he's coming from but just let him be.
     
  8. Need4Spd

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    One must wonder whether Max is bringing a “new” style to F1 racing; that is, take far more chances at contact than in the past, because you can do so without quite the risk of death or serious injury as before. He definitely can gain more advantage that way. An example is the Austrian GP, where his contact with Kimi, shoved Kimi out of a position. But the same risk-taking has cost Max positions and DNFs. When and if he can show that the risks are outweighed by the rewards, we may see more drivers adopt his style. Whether that will prove disastrous to F1 or turn it into “trading paint” NASCAR remains to be seen.


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  9. kizdan

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    Sure, Jos, we'll just give Max a free pass from now on just because he won a race. At this point, I'll be more impressed when Max finishes a race without any contact.

    Jos is living vicariously through his son, as Max has a ton more talent than pops ever did.
     
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  10. ypsilon

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    It's Alonso and Im not sure what "ain't" is.
     
  11. ypsilon

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    Pops in F1 drove rings around drivers with better cars when it rained.

    Pops just like Max won everything in karts, including races which featured M.Schumacher.

    Pops won LeMans without even trying.

    Pops is underestimated and a better driver than all the Coulthards, Bergers, Alesi's and whatnot's.
     
  12. william

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    Le Mans. When ?

    That's debatable. Why no team kept him and he couldn't get a drive in F1 anymore, if he was that good?
    I have never heard that team managers were fighting to recruit Jos.
     
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  13. kizdan

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    I said Max has tons more talent than pops ever did. What is your point with your response? Are you trying to say that he was as talented as Max is, or even close?
     
  14. jgonzalesm6

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    Sarcasm....Yes???;)
     
  15. ypsilon

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    Close indeed.
     
  16. ypsilon

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    • 1-day ban for P&R out of bounds.
    Winning LeMans is debatable ? interesting.

    Maybe because he wasn't "BRITISH" (less fashionable these days even spoken with a BREXIT thonque ), had sponship from Dekra, but Flavio probably rather burning said money through his nose instead of investing it into the car.
     
  17. ypsilon

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    Why ?

    Jos Verstappen is highly rated in the real world of motor racing, a hot head yes, but a very good driver.
     
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  19. Bas

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    Can you stop bringing BREXIT into every conversation? You're not clever and has absolutely ZERO to do with the subject.

    Jos was a good driver, a great starter. Sure, not the best and had a few high profile mistakes. The reason why teams didn't fight for him was because there where other drivers that where near the same level of talent but brought more money. Don't forget the cigarette companies at the time all wanted either a driver of their own nationality or a champion.

    Jos was sacked from Benetton as he was massively struggling against Schumacher, but his replacements all had the same problem. Quick driver, but unlucky. (Jean Eric Vergne anyone)
     
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  20. kizdan

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    Not sure how one could come to that conclusion. Max has already achieved more in the short amount of time he's been in F1 than pops ever did. Max immediately got snatched up by a top team, whereas pops never did.
     
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  21. Bas

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    Yes he did. Jos drove at Benetton the same year as Schumacher did when he won the title.
     
  22. william

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    No, I didn't say winning Le Mans was debatable, unless I expressed myself badly.
    But I would like to know when Jos Versappen "won" Le Mans, because I checked and cannot find his name in the list of winners.

    But what is debatable is your statement that "the Boss" was better driver than Coulthard, Berger or Alesi.
    I know that appreciation is by nature purely subjective, but I cannot recall Jos being much in demand among the top teams after leaving Benetton.
    He mostly drove "back of the field" cars and didn't get much success either, as opposed to the " drivers you mentioned.
     
  23. william

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    Yep, but he was soon dropped, if I remember.
     
  24. Bas

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    Yep...replaced by Herbert if Memory serves. I think they overestimated how good Schumacher was ;). That said I believe Herbert to be the superior driver Jos was, even with his wobbly legs!

    Jos had an amazing young career in F3 but made the jump to big boy seat too quickly. Maybe time in a smaller team would've suited him better, I don't know if teams judged him on his early performance in the big boy seat or not. In any case, F1 (and even junior series) is full of ''he beat so and so, thus he was clearly F1 champion material''.

    Max is the superior of Jos, consistent, quick, adapted to the spotlight very quickly. Yes he's made some mistakes, but it seems he's tackled them.
     
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  25. SimCity3

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    +1

    As Bas and myself have stated previously, Max is a multiple WDC in waiting. His advantage is he is in no rush, and is authentically stamping his mark as he learns.
     
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