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Novitec Switchtronic exhaust valve controller on 488 GTB?

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  1. RayJohns

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    I'm considering purchasing a Novitec Switchtronic exhaust valve controller for use on my 488 and I was wondering if anyone here has had any first hand experience using it?

    My goal is to keep the valves on the 488 closed slightly longer than when the car's ECU decides to open them. Right now, at least in sport mode, the car seems to open/shut the valves right around 3000 RPM. However, at least when not under any appreciable boost, I'd prefer to keep them closed up to more like around 5000 RPM's or so.

    The Novitec unit I'm referring to (pictured below) is the one which employs a little wireless control button that inserts into the car's cigarette lighter.

    I'm waiting for further information from the folks over at TAG Motorsports, but my current understanding is that in the "valve open" position, the exhaust valves remain open all the time. Okay fine. But my question is how exactly things function in the "valves closed" position. Do the exhaust valves remain shut until a higher RPM level is reached? And if so, what is the new RPM level? Also, is boost pressure taken into consideration as well or only strictly RPM levels?

    Additionally, is anything affected when the Manettino is changed from Sport mode to race mode or does that not matter?

    Finally, are any of these levels (RPM or Boost) user programmable? Or are they hard coded into the control module by Novitec and therefore set in stone.

    If anyone has any first hand experience using this setup on a 488 and/or any reference material, information or manuals regarding the Novitec Switchtronic unit, I sure would love to find out more specifics. Thanks!

    Ray

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    Wireless button that goes into cigarette lighter - photo credit: TAG Motorsports
     
  2. nero corsa

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    I have the switchtronic on my 458 so I am not sure if the units are different on the 488, but all the function does is to open up the valves and just go back into the stock mode. You can't click button on the unit to manually close the valves whenever you want, it just goes factory mode or open flap mode.

    You are better off getting the unit that is a different brand. With the switchtronic, it is somewhat buggy as well. When the car starts up, the flaps can open and go back to the factory setting easy by hitting the button, but once you are on the road and at a stop sign, it is hard to put the car back in factory mode after the flaps are open. This is my experience that I have learned.
     
  3. RayJohns

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    ok thank you. And you have the model shown here correct? With the wireless button that inserts into the cigarette lighter also?

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  4. nero corsa

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    The picture you have listed above is their generic photo they have. The one that you will receive will be in a pink bag, where you get a plastic box with an LED light on top, no branding will be on it. On the top of the black box, there will be a cut out with a plug on top of it. From there you will have a connector that plugs into place and then you will have 5 wires that will be coming out from it. One of the wires goes to a ground bolt while the other 4 will basically be switching out the two main wires from the valve to the unit itself and the remaining 2 wires will be going back to the car so it can go from factory setting and open valve setting. The switch you plug into the cigarette will look the same as the photo. The only thing that bugs me a bit was it looks like the base was made from one of the plastic 3d modeler machines that you can buy for a local hobby store. For the money, I am not really impressed, if I was to do it again, I would go with the forza kit as it works the same and probably has more options. I only got the novitec kit from the beginning as I figured it would be higher quality and the presentation would be like the photo shown, but unfortunately I was wrong, first world issues.
     
  5. RayJohns

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    Thanks for the run down. That's very helpful.

    I currently have a Capristo valve controller - which another Ferrarichat member graciously gave me - and I'm considering using the wiring harness off that unit to make my own DIY valve controller setup. My thinking is that I will rig something up with either a vacuum or pressure switch, which will allow me to keep the valves closed until boost reaches a specific level. That would really be the most ideal situation for me I think; then I would have some sort of manual on/off switch which could give total control back over to the car's ECU or limit the valves to only opening when boost is being generated.

    I think the next step is going to be pulling off the under panel and doing some testing with how the car currently controls the valves.

    Does anyone know exactly how the factory setup works? I haven't checked directly yet, but my assumption is that there is some electronic module which is generating vacuum or something and then there is a hose which goes to the exhaust valves? Or is it totally electronic in nature? I'm guessing it's setup in a fail-safe mode, where by default the valves are open and then the car has to apply vacuum in order to shut them probably.

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    Why do you want flaps to stay closed longer ?
     
  7. Viperjoe

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    Just pull the vacuum hoses off of the diverted valves and enjoy the symphony full time.
     
  8. Shadowfax

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    With the Forza you have 3 options.
    1. Stock
    2.Valves open all the time.
    3.Valves closed all the time.

    I’ve only ever used 1 or 2 but if ever there is a need to use #3 (for whatever reason) then it’s there.

    So far the controller has proven very handy and would highly recommend!
     
  9. RayJohns

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    To shut up the horrible sounding exhaust of the 488 a bit longer

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    Interesting. I thought I emailed with someone about the Forza controller, but I don't remember exactly how it was configured (but I will check back in a minute here and see what I can find).

    Are you sure there is a #3 option? It would be nice if there was, but I'm wondering if having the turbos running at 15 PSI with too much back pressure might be an issue. I was looking into building my own valve control setup which would allow me to keep the valves closed, but then would let them open should boost increase above some programmable level, such as 3-4 PSI or something.

    I'm starting to think I need to change the exhaust, remove or change the cats and then make my own valve controller or something.

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    You’re a tough customer Ray! I think it sounds great as do many others who have remarked on how good it sounds.
    That said, sound is subjective!

    Re your question - yes. 3 options. I would suspect running the engine at higher rpm with valves closed would create a heat build up somewhere but I could be wrong.
     
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    Hi,

    I’m the developer/owner of Forza controllers. There are indeed three options on the Forza controllers...
    1. Normal ... ECU control
    2. Always Open
    3. Always Closed
    I agree that using the always closed option with a turbo charged car should be limited to low engine RPM / throttle positions due to the possibility of impeding turbo performance. With the Forza controller, it is recommended that if you do use the closed option, only do so at low RPM. For all practical purposes, if you want the valves closed you are likely at lower engine RPM / throttle position, so toggling the controller to normal mode will close the valves. You really do not need the always closed option.

    So why have a closed option? There were several requests to provide the closed option for people who track their cars at locales that enforce strict noise requirements. E.g., a stock 458 frequently fails noise test at Laguna Seca and many other venues. Just leaving the controller in normal mode would likely allow the ECU to open the valves when traversing the sound monitoring devices at these tracks. My recommendation for turbo charged cars, use the closed option with discretion.

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  13. RayJohns

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    ok thanks. I'll have to check into it further. Can you post a link for the exact controller you are talking about?

    I'm wondering if I could use the controller in mode 3, but then wire up some sort of bypass that kicks in around 3-5 PSI boost and allow the valves to open back up. I basically just want to delay the opening, not prevent it totally.

    Also, does sport vs. race mode have any affect on any of the 3 modes?

    Thanks for the info!

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    Hi Steve,

    Do you have a link to purchase the module or more info? I'd like to check it out.

    Also, on the 488, can you explain to me how the valves function? Is the car's ECU sending an electrical input to a vacuum motor or something, which then activates the valves via a vacuum hose? Or is it purely electronic these days?

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    No, it works perfectly whether in race, sport and wet. Just press whichever sound level you feel inclined at the time and it activates accordingly. I leave the small 4 button remote in the center console for easy access and press whichever mode I feel like at the time. I'm confident you will be happy with it - seems very reliable and straight forward to operate.

    Re your question of mode 3 (valves closed all the time), that situation may be possible but would need some sort of reprogramming - an area for Steve Bisel (Forza). Maybe the 4th button could be used as a different setting?

    http://www.forzacomponenti.com/exhaust_controller_b3.html Pretty sure mine was a B2A
    http://forzacomponenti.com/documents/Model_B2_Exhaust_Bypass_Controller_Installation_Instructions_October2017.pdf Steve can confirm.
     
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    Hello Ray,

    The link for the Forza controller is http://forzacomponenti.com/ In particular, this one ... http://forzacomponenti.com/controller_b3.html

    You can view documentation here ... http://forzacomponenti.com/documents.html

    The 488, as in all Ferrari's with valved exhaust systems, use vacuum actuation. Many cars are moving to electrical activation (e.g., new Audi's, Corvettes, Camaros). With vacuum actuation, the ECU is programmed with specific thresholds of engine RPM and throttle position. After initial startup and warming cycle, the ECU signals a vacuum solenoid valve(s) to apply vacuum to the flapper valve actuation diaphragms, thereby closing the valves. The vacuum solenoid valve(s) are connected to the actuators using a length of vacuum hose.

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    As long as the threshold points are not reached, the valves will remain closed. When engine RPM / throttle position exceed the threshold points, the ECU signals the vacuum solenoid valve(s) to release the vacuum ... which allows the springs in the actuator assembly to open the flapper valves.

    I believe it is only a matter of time that the electric actuated flappers will replace vacuum operated valves. At current time, the vacuum actuators are less costly, but that could change. Also, electrically operated valves can provide not only open or closed, but also intermediate positions.

    Regards,

    Steve
     
  17. RayJohns

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    Thanks a lot Steve. That clears up a lot of my questions.

    With regard to the vacuum solenoid valve, is it producing its own vacuum (via a motor?) or is it simply acting as a sort of gate valve which allows vacuum from a hose going back to the motor to pass through to the flapper assembly?

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    Hi Ray,

    I cannot find the vacuum routing for the 488. But, should be similar to 458. Vacuum is tapped from the intake manifold on the engine. An accumulator tank is used to hold vacuum to smooth out variance due to vacuum rising and falling with throttle position. The solenoid valves obtain their vacuum source from the accumulator tank.

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