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  1. EarlyCat

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    #16576 EarlyCat, Jul 12, 2018
    Your are going to start sticking to the facts & just that, if you want to comment. I don't need to read anything more about calling someone a liar, comparison to Mother Teresa etc. Joe's going to stop doing the same . It is far easier for me to just hit the ban button & your gone. I think you have a lot to offer, want to keep you around & have really avoided doing just that. I get it that you don't like Joe & Joe does not like you. Ok. The rest of us (ok most) really just want to talk about the cars. Im putting my foot down, so its your call if you want to stay and play.
     
  2. joe sackey

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    #16577 joe sackey, Jul 12, 2018
    By the way, not to be pedantic, but, I'm not trying to assert he was miserable, he was, I posted Giancarlo Barbieri's testimony on-the-record affirming this, as do many many people who interacted with him and have recounted their stories over the years. There is no disputing it, and in Barbieri's case, nobody should shoot the messenger. That said, perhaps there were reasons for Bobby's demeanor, and note that I posted that he built my Miura SV engine well, I was happy with the work. I also said, none of this disparages Bobby’s memory one Iota or takes away from his work and what he accomplished for Lamborghini, it’s simply an accurate recollection of how Bobby chose to be.

    Knowing that he did not entertain people just to be social, pray tell us exactly what are the many dealings you have had with Bobby, please be specific, for example, I had the engine of Miura SV 4870 rebuilt by him, what did he do for you and upon what specific car?

    Also, if in fact Bob Wallace accurately described the story you assert, then you should have no problem going on public record and telling us exactly what he said:

    When did he give these images out?
    What images did he give out?
    How many images did he give out?
    Did he state he gave them out to me?
    When did he tell you this story?

    Just want to be clear on what transpired.
     
  3. cnpapa24

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    #16578 cnpapa24, Jul 12, 2018
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    I’m with EarlyCat. Let’s talk about Miuras.
     
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    #16579 joe sackey, Jul 12, 2018
    Agreed, and to that end I have been posting verifiable data to clear up this question of the Wallace images, none of which were ever given to me by Bobby or anyone else, nor were any Wallace images used in my book, that much I can prove as detailed above.
     
  5. PineChris

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    #16580 PineChris, Jul 13, 2018
    Ill leave it at this... Bob Wallace, told me, point blank that he provided Joe Sackey with his personal images . He said 100% that he had been trying to contact Joe for quite sometime and that Joe was avoiding him and never returned the images. Obviously, unfortunately I cannot get Bob to collaborate this. But I will say this, despite Joes subtle inflections that Bob was a miserable man, he had a bright side. But if he didn't like you, he let you know it.
     
  6. joe sackey

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    #16581 joe sackey, Jul 13, 2018
    That is unfortunate.

    Interestingly, you were also unable to corroborate the other story about the sale.

    Despite his moods, I think Bobby was a straight-shooter, so, I'll say this, I am certain he never said what you claim, and given the fact that I actually never asked for nor received any images from him, that leaves the obvious conclusion.
     
  7. hyenahf

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    #16582 hyenahf, Jul 13, 2018
    whao joe, go easy on me !

    Im awful on the details and no he didnt not tell me personally since i wasnt close to him. yes i did hear it from somebody else. is it so wrong that bob was pissed after loosing some of his personal photos and memories after loaning them out to assist a writer?

    ive met him a couple of times, the first time i was after the F1 race in 91 at his shop. the 2nd time many years later we spoke about urraco rallye "bob" and he was more the gracious in speaking in depth and length about the attributes and faults of the urraco platform as a race/track car in which i wont get into here.

    never once was he impatient, scowling or demeaning. he offered info on a one off vehicle that only a handful very few know about since it was his personal project. im forever grateful that he took the time to share it with me. more importantly it was great advice for myself personally.

    ive heard of his stern reputation before. i suppose im not one of his typical customers with a thick wallet who wants to eat off the bottom of their car, expects ice cold AC in the blistering heat then wonder why their plugs keep fouling on PCH rush hour traffic in their vintage lambo.

    what do u think...is he smiling in this photo? hard to tell right? :)

     

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    #16584 mt_jt, Jul 13, 2018
    That’s one trippy automotive image!
    Amazing!!!
     
  10. hyenahf

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    #16585 hyenahf, Jul 13, 2018
    where did u find that!.... you never cease to impress me ivor :)


    ok here is what we know about bob. he has smiled at least once, spoke more than 3 words at a time (at least to me) and he can be grumpy at times.
     
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    #16586 joe sackey, Jul 13, 2018
    Not really.

    That is a fantastic period image, thanks for sharing, the lady is definitely smiling.
     
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    #16587 joe sackey, Jul 13, 2018
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    #16589 P300V8, Jul 13, 2018
    They were facing the correct way when the car was at Polo Storico...
    https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/news/miura-maggie-may-shines-again
     
  15. joe sackey

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    #16591 miurasv, Jul 13, 2018
    Does anyone know or have contact details for Steve Warbey (spelling) from Stevenage, Hitchin, Herts who owned 4863 and SV 4830 in 1976?
     
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    #16593 vfinaldi, Jul 13, 2018
    With the celebrity provenance and Polo restoration, I would expect it to exceed 2MM USD. We shall see...
     
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    #16594 P300V8, Jul 13, 2018
    Correct, 4863 was consigned on 29/10/71...
     
  20. cnpapa24

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    #16595 cnpapa24, Jul 13, 2018
    I was thinking around the same. Not sure the provenance will add much based on past RS sales as mentioned previously.
     
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    #16596 joe sackey, Jul 13, 2018
    That would be nice for earlier non-SV Miura variants, it's about time a stellar example was used as the market benchmark

    Judging by the lady's coat, I'm guessing late 1971 or early 1972!

    Indeed, although the first owner's name will draw some interest, I think the final number will be based on the quality of the car's restoration
     
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    #16597 geno berns, Jul 13, 2018
    $1.6-1.8MM is my prediction.
     
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    #16598 Olivier NAMECHE, Jul 13, 2018

    The Panaro river picture was shoot by Peter Coltrin who was Bob's good friend during the Bolognese era…

    the lady is no one else than Coltrin's wife...
     
  24. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #16599 Olivier NAMECHE, Jul 14, 2018

    there are 2x Miura SV factory painted with Verde Rio Metallizzato : #5006 you mentionned but also #5106 which is one of the last SV made

    #5106 is ex Ron Edwards in USA but now residing in Europe in the hands of one the top Bulls collectors… no necessity to mention his name for discretion !


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    #16600 Olivier NAMECHE, Jul 14, 2018
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