Ferrari Classiche - How Respected Is It?

how does that work on a race car....do they decide on which livery gets certified? what about performance or safety equipment that is upgraded over the years?

 

Same here. I should have added that my 308 isn’t even worth 10X the price of the Classiche but I would probably do it if I was wealthy enough to not care about dropping 6G’s and I owned a limited classic like a 250 or 288

 

They certified challenge cars 345/355 i can say.
Safety later equipment installed in cars not sure 100%.some remarks in red book



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Update...

Spoke with my dealer about our delay again yesterday. They have 17 other cars waiting as well!!! Lol, they are now saying end of year. The question remains if that "end of year" is in Italian time. If so, it will be done in 2020.

 

That seems rather suspect. Maybe your dealer messed something up. I submitted my application in January, then there were two requests from the research group for a few more photos. My application was reviewed and approved by the Classiche committee in their June meeting (so I’m told) and now I’m just awaiting red book, so we’ll see how long that takes.

 

9 months for a certification? This is crazy.

 

12-18months couple of stories unfortunatelly..


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As an owner of a 60s car, I concur that it’s a pain in the ass.
But, if you want to sell the car it affords the buyer, especially the buyer unfamiliar with eccentricity of vintage Ferrari, a degree of comfort that he is not buying a fake. Such a buyer, given the choice of two cars is going to go for the one with the book produced by the factory to say “we made this, with this engine on this date and it is now what it was then”.

 

FWIW

I had the opportunity to speak to the folks at Ferrari of Newport Beach, a Classiche certified dealer. This was on a subject other than Classiche certification but I did learn a little about the Classiche program (which is expensive for a dealer to maintain). If one has a newer Ferrari, say a 246, 308, 512, or so, the Classiche process is supposed to be pretty straight forward, and "inexpensive". However, if one has an older Ferrari or one-off, the process gets much more involved. Even to the extent of measuring the thickness of the metal on the frames, bodies etc., for comparison to the original specs for that particular car. And you guessed it, the cost is much higher.
I also received the paper work containing the Classiche guidelines, if you will, about the program. Interestingly, because there have been questions and debate about the originality of replacement parts or castings, it is spelled out in the paper work how Ferrari justifies using reproduction parts/castings and still certifies the car as original (my words).
As an aside, I have seen first hand a Ferrari Classiche car done at the factory, which was so wrong in so many respects it was sad. And costly for the owner. I'm not saying they're all that way, but if one is to use the program I would recommend being involved very closely during the process.
Just sayin...

 

I considered it a while back, but there were enough non-original aspects to my 328 that I knew it wouldn’t pass, and if it did it would invalidate the whole process in my mind.

And my 430 is even less original. So no point for either one.

And also, I don’t think it would make a difference anyway. I love both cars the way they are. And if I were ever to list my 328 for sale, I don’t think the fancy red book would make any difference whatsoever to a buyer of a 75k plus mile car. And the 430 is going to quickly approach that number.

I don’t own museum pieces. I own drivers. So in my case, there’s no point.

 

I’m in full agreement with you. While I’m a fan of Classiche certification I think it really should only be for the very few cars that can meet a rigid standard of originality.

 

In other words, it makes sense if you are a collector, not so much if you are a driver.


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Not necessarily. I know many owners who’s cars are maintained to their original specs and they are driven regularly. Some collect and some don’t.

 

Many Ferraris are not viable candidates for driving in their "factory" condition. This would defeat the purpose of getting the certification, wouldn't it?

 

Ummm, then they don’t qualify for Classiche. I’m not sure what more to tell you. Certification exists for owners who’s cars meet originality standards. It isn’t for everyone nor was it ever meant to be.

 

Agreed !


....And its not only for show cars ... more so Ferrari that are still factory original ..... there will be value to those that care and for those that dont care... they will find a reason to justify their positions ...

Meh , I see the value

 

You go down the list of any number of Ferraris that require modifications, e.g., F40, F348, F355, F360, F430 and on and on. Unless you don't mind driving a F355 or F360 with broken headers, qualifying one of these cars is a waste of time. But if you are a collector or are planning on selling your car, then it can make sense, or at least that's how I see it. Regarding vintage cars, if you own a car worth seven figures, you shouldn't need Ferrari's stamp of approval to make you feel better. If you didn't do your homework before spending that kind of money on a car, well...

 

Here is my take on the program.

Ferrari knows there are independent shops servicing ferrari cars. They also know many of these shops enter cars into shows like pebble beach and win.

Ferrari doesn't like this. They want the money. So they invented the program in order to get a piece of the pie. Ferrari for year couldn't have cared less about the older cars. However, now that they are worth money, and people spend big money restoring them at shops other then the dealer, they want a cut..so they invent this cash grab..

 

Tom, I agree they want their take but don't agree with the rest. How many dealers have body shops? What, 4 or 5? Dealers and Ferrari don't want dealers to be restoration shops - totally out of focus.

 

Almost all dealers have a body shop they send cars to to get repaired, if they don't have an in house shop.

Ferrari of Ontario owns an off site bodyshop who they send all the smashed car too. Most of, if not all dealers either own or are affiliated with a body shop.

Many dealers also have appraisers on staff to assess damage and also have the ability to inspect cars taken in on trade or cars that are bought by the dealer to resell. They are very much equipped to evacuate any car as they see fit for their needs.

 

Sending a car to a non Ferrari body shop is not the same as running a body / restoration shop.

 

And, so what? I'm at a loss as to why anyone has a problem with Ferrari creating Classiche. People call Classiche a "cash grab" as if they are doing something evil. I constantly hear this argument made. One can debate whether Classiche does a good job restoring cars or not (I've heard strong cases from both sides), but why shouldn't Ferrari get in the game? I'm a lover of the free market. More power to them.

 

Problem is..ferrari has verified cars and certified them when they were no where near the standard. Heck they certified a reproduction. If you are ok with that..that's ok. Spend your money as you will.

 

I’ve previously stated that I think certification should be far more rigid than it is. I also recognize that it is much more definable in post mid 70’s cars. The vintage class gets tricky and honestly I don’t have the answers for that. In fairness, we don’t know the full rationale from Ferrari. Many (some of the greatest cars in history) vintage cars were parsed together over time and few of them are actually original. Classiche has a defined view on how they view these cars. As for the “reproduction”, are you referring to 6045?