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Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

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  1. cnpapa24

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    Correct. It was along Interstate 10 in New Orleans on the way from the Airport to the City. He also displayed a giant flame spitting Cigarette boat that he was often seen using.
     
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    #9202 joe sackey, Jul 29, 2018
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    Frankly, I don't (yet) know the answer to that question, but, when you look at the piece with its angular planes & trapezoidal shapes, it certainly compliments the car and has become an iconic Countach detail as with the LP400's 'periscope' roof for example, I sometimes find myself staring at it.

    Al Copeland, founder of Popeyes Chicken fast food empire, correct, FLA12835 sat in the showroom for years, it has just over 9,000 miles to date

    Copeland was a rather flamboyant personality, and stories abound about his love affair with speed on both land & water.

    Around the time he received his new Countach, he tasked a noted superboat builder with a project to create a quad-engined aluminum catamaran capable of triple-digit speeds so he could rule the Class Offshore series. The design team reported that team boat's creation involved many late night parties, luxury accommodations, beautiful design 'assistants', limousines, fast cars, and an F1 aerodynamicist.

    This was the result, seen here competing @ Nassau, the Bahamas

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    Thanks Joe!
     
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    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but, I do believe the showroom is long gone, most of the contents dispersed by auction.

    That said, his FLA12835 exists in superb condition, a testament to the men & women @ Sant Agata who built these cars

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    The building is still there but the use has changed and contents are long gone.
     
  9. abolfaz

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    A dear friend of mine worked under his right hand Bill Sirois who ran the boat operations, I met Al twenty or so years ago when I purchased his Kevlar 39' Cigarette race boat. Joe, I believe the wooden cat you are referencing was powered by 6 outboard engine power heads which drove two out drives via shafts and belts. As I understand it, it never ran right and was an abject failure.
     
  10. joe sackey

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    Interesting, it figures.

    Six! I get the impression that there was a fair amount of experimentation going on.

    Back on topic, I now have two separate sets of the new generation Pirelli Cinturato P7 to compare, both on restored cars

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    Joe - are there any noticeable differences between the two other than the engine cover?
     
  12. joe sackey

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    Lots of differences.

    Even though the 2 cars are the same variant of Countach, you can see the production differences from MY 1985 to MY 1986, and of course, all the individual specification differences between the cars.

    When I've spent some time with them, I'll make a list.

    The one thing the differences remind me of is the fact that we are dealing with cars that were truly hand-built, and as such they maintain their individuality all these years later even after they have been restored.
     
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    Hi Joe,

    Some FLA DD cars had the 5000S Lamborghini transmission instead of the ZF - if you drive the two cars back to back can you notice the difference?
     
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    Congrats! Glad that you could finalize the purchase. The distance from munich is about the triple amount... Next time ;)
     
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    That's correct, and FLA12835 being a very early car will certainly have the Lamborghini trans, I'll be sure report on this
     
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    I can say that 12877 has the ZF box.
     
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    That's a useful timeline
     
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    The ZF Gearbox has a very different feel to the Lamborghini one. The ZF is certainly tougher, and will suffer fools more gladly than the Lamborghini box. The ZF gearbox also has an improved clutch as well as a better clutch release bearing design.
     
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    There is a good reason they went to the ZF unit

    Thanks for this, great images!
     
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    Yes, The ZF unit is certainly the stronger of the two. It has much more robust sycnhros than the Porsche-type synchromesh in the Lamborghini gearbox. The revised ZF gearbox and clutch design adopted early in the QV production run was probably a necessity with the big bump in power that came with the downdraught quattrovalvole cars.

    That said, If it isn't knackered, the Lamborghini gearbox in the earlier cars is very pleasant to use. This is rare to find on 35+ year old cars that have passed through the hands of who knows how many knuckleheads?... I takes just one to seriously injure the second gear synchro on one of these early Lamborghini gearboxes.
     

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