What about Nico? in one of his Vlog Nico said that maybe one day he will return to F1 on a Red Car!
Ferrari has been a charity for years for Massa after his accident. As for Vettel: I'm certain if Enzo was still around he would have sacked Vettel after Hockenheim. As he has sacked so many other greats. The reason they haven't sacked Seb yet is that there is no real alternative available right now since we are mid season and the team still has a chance despite his many mistakes. Vettel is blocking any decent #2 driver (not that Kimi is bad this season, but Seb is not letting a Max or a Ricci in). And that was ok as long as the #2 is just a water carrier. But now Kimi actually beat Seb in qualifying and his #1 status should be questioned. So going back to the original question: No, it would be bad for Ferrari to hang on to Seb for another two years. It might get them the title possibly next year, but they won't be building up new talent. A realistic hope is, that they bring in Leclerc. The sooner, the better.
Hockenheim was a disaster. No doubt, but sacking him isn’t going to win a WDC when there is no obvious replacement. Vettel is prone to errors but so are Ham, Max and Alo. The rest are just number 2 drivers (especially Ricci) or unproven youth (eg leclerc). To me, the most annoying issue is not Ferrari’s number 1, but it’s number 2. They hung on to Massa for far too long and are now doing the same with Kimi. It’s as if they are more loyal to the number 2 than their number 1. Leclerc should be given the seat for next year but i get the sense that Ferrari is giving Kimi the opportunity to retain his seat. As per last year, just watch Kimi switch off as soon as he puts ink to paper for next year...
Don't you know that many tifosi wouldn't like to see Hamilton at the Scuderia in any shape or form. What you are saying is a bit like proposing Ayahtollah Khomeini as pope! Myself, I cannot see Hamilton at Ferrari ever. By 2021, he will be near retirement in any case.
Boom..back in the real world. Postulate about driver alternatives when they are meaningful and actionable. Meanwhile: Spa is round the corner, get behind the team, get behind the drivers or **** off.
Pre school stuff. Really? Verstappen ''not able to gain on Lewis''. You are aware Lewis drove the Mercedes, one of the fastest (compared to competition) F1 cars ever created? You don't think that helps? Verstappen was in 3rd fastest car, AND had to fight through the entire field. Lewis had clear road ahead of him. No rain hitting his visor, nothing. Germany Vettel first on the scene on a piece of track that just received more rain, so unknown levels of grip. That wasn't driver error, that was aquaplaning at very low speed. Photographers on the scene reported a Williams leaking fluid (The same williams that retired a few corners later with engine issues). Hungary, the mercedes is a far better car in the rain due to the lower rake. Toto even admitted they got pole because of the rain. Verstappen massively outqualified his teammate. Red Bull runs the highest rake so is terrible in the rain. And was kindest on it's tyres by some way. You are aware of the fact that Vettel signed to Ferrari? Hence Red Bull includes him less in team meetings, he doesn't get the best strategies, he doesn't even get the newest parts. So yes obviously Ricciardo had an advantage there. Ferrari had Alonso and bumped him off as he can't develop a car. Sure can drive them though. I've dozed off at this point. Can't be bothered any longer.
Agreed on all. I wouldn't sack Vettel mid season either with no realistic replacement and still a chance for the title. But I would seriously start looking for an alternative. I'm afraid that his blunders this year will cost us the title.
Schumacher beat Rosberg... Rosberg competed and eventually beat Hamilton. He most definitely was not "slow" on his return. Thank God you don't make the team decisions, way too much emotion clouding your judgement to be taken seriously. A second year driver to Ferrari, the most prestigious team in F1? You cannot be serious.
AMUS also reported that Vettel faced oil on the track when he crashed but you do not mention that...I wonder why Why are you simply transfering the speed difference in the dry into the wet. As said numerous times being faster in the dry does not necessarily mean that the car is faster in the wet as well!!! "Lewis mentioned"... so it MUST be true...and the rest of the story does not exist anywere than your head... Another one who joined the Forum just to tell us how great Lewis is and how poor Vettel....Just what was missing...
I don't recall Enzo ever firing a driver at midseason, except possibly for Surtees, and I still think he quit on his own. Besides, there are no Dragonis on this year's staff. The other drivers who left early (including Amon, Ickx and Lauda) left on their own as well.
Red Bull was very dominant in 2010. They accumulated 15 pole positions. The fact that the chsmpionship was a hard fought battle is a reflection of one average driver and one above average driver not the car. So many mistakes.
Once upon a time, Ferrari though not Enzo, sacked Alain Prost mid-season for his constant criticism of the car... I never liked him, his knack to blame everyone and everything else when things didn't go his way was annoying and reminds me of another certain diva. If I'm not mistaken he was also sacked by Renault for similar reasons...
Bang on Bas..... the amount of speculative anti-Vettel drivel in this thread borders on the insane.... if it didn’t happen, let’s just make it up.... it’s not interesting if it happens as it really did, let’s retell the story and change the bits that make it more anti-Vettel/anti-Ferrari. I seriously doubt I’m in a Ferrari forum some days with the crap some are shovelling As for ferrari trying to hire elton? Elton talks bollocks as we know, because he was categoric in a Sky interview that ferrari had NEVER EVER even approached him. Therefore, IF anyone had approached him to drive, which I don’t believe for a minute as he was clearly either staying at merc or retiring, then it would have been red bull, looking for a number two to Maxine...... hehehehehehehe. Number two to the new kid on the block! Hehehehehe. Now, that’s news, if you want to believe made up ****..... NO ONE approached elton...... he’s bullshitting you because he ******** toto to up his bonuses, that’s all. Standard stuff in contract negotiation. No one pays the most money if the signee has no options
Hahahahaha.... can’t see it, but just imagine, if he did, yet another achievement of Nico that elton can’t match, he’d absolutely implode. Ferrari should announce Nico for next year, and have a press conference and have Nico in the overalls at fiorano. Elton would lose his mind, Nico was his nemesis. If Nico did actually drive for us next year, elton would be so busy trying to crash into him and dominate him, he’d forget to win races anymore, just like when he had his hard on for Massa a while back and couldn’t help but crash into him every other race
^^^ The analysis above is pretty interesting. Its clear that Schumacher, Senna and Ham are the rain meisters. I'm surprised that Vet and Alonso don't feature higher up the list. I wasn't expecting that. Doesn't change one important fact though - Ham and Ferrari F1 seem to be like oil and water. They will never mix and Ham is now signed up to Merc to the end of his career, so there is no point banging on about how we need Ham in red because it isn't going to happen. We need to look to the next generation and not the past - that means replacing Kimi, not Vettel, and bringing in a promising youngster who has a season or two experience. Leclerc for instance. Vettel is the best driver available for the number one seat - perhaps Alonso could be tempted back, but that, in my view is a sideways move which is just replacing a good driver with another good driver. It isn't a giant step change forwards.
AGAIN: why does gaining 4 tenths on the straight necessarily mean that the car is faster over a lap??? If you drive less downforce and the car lacks grip in the corner the 4 tenths (where did you see the gps datas?) may not make up for the loss in the corners. This has nothing to do with the driver but the setup of the car! If it is only down to Lewis driving why did you still not aswer why Bottas was close behind ahead of both Ferrari...because he is the second best rain driver out there??? Get real... And why do you say that Ferrari would have won the WDC last year with Lewis for sure??? Do you think that the spark plug would have not failed with Lewis? Do you think Max would have not taken out two Ferrari is it was Lewis sitting in one of them? What you bring up are only baseless assumptions and not facts!
You think you're comparing apples and apples. You're not. You fail to take into account competitive vs noncompetitive car in the equation. I can't be bothered coming up with ''facts and statistics'' as I've had these type of conversations with folks like you too many times: The majority of points (that really do matter quite a lot) will be ignored, you'll call me a hater and claim moral victory.
A good analysis and some facts in that post that destroys some myths too. To be honest, I am always amazed that people can go so far back to gather stats and evidences; I know I can't. So, thanks for the effort. Having said that, I cannot see ever Hamilton at Ferrari. Not that I don't want him there, but I don't think it's realistic to expect it. Hamilton seems quite happy at Mercedes, for a start, where he obtains most if not everything he wants. To attract him, Ferrari would have to offer him what he alredy has at Mercedes: a Superior car. I just can't see Ferrari doing that; they have progressed a lot, but not constantly, IMO. Also, Hamilton is part of the family at Mercedes, and seems to like the environment; they pay him well too. Ferrari is often its worst enemy; it loses championships regularly because the stratégies, and the preparation are often a shamble. Just ask Kimi! Plus there is the politics at Maranello; I don't think Hamilton would fit there, with his off-track side, his lifestyle, etc... There would be a clash of culture there; it's only my opinion. The soonest Hamilton could join Ferrari, if he wanted to, is in 2021, and his retirement will be approaching by then. Other drivers may be more attractive to Ferrari at that time. I don't think Vettel is that bad, really. In any case he is the best the Scuderia can get right now. They didn't want Ricciardo; that may have been a mistake.
So Ferrari earns 4 tenth on the straight AND is faster in slows and medium speed corners...Interesting, so Ferrai is 1 second faster? 2 or how about 3? At least... Furthermore you still do not see that being faster in the dry does not necessarily mean that you are faster in the wet...And "GPS datas proof" and "I don´t have the data".....Are you kidding us? And "I did not see oil on TV although I watched it several times"???? Now that IS proof As always you guys throw around with "facts" and at the end it is nothing but "hot air". I say it is impossible to say as long as they are not sitting in the same car...Judging without considering the difference in the cars is a joke and really not worth discussing. As you said, it is nothing but your opinion and far from "facts"! Question remains: if Ferrari is the faster car and Ferrari is desperate to have him, willing to throw millions on him, why did Lewis not sign at Ferrari? I thought he is so great in making career moves, people over here even brought up the slogan "making a Hamilton"... The answer is either A) the Ferrari is not really better and Lewis still thinks that Mercedes could give him a WDC more likely B) there was never an offer from Ferrari because unlike you they do know what they have with Seb and don´t think they need Lewis
Wow, he knows how to use google...I would hardly call this an analysis. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/70wf17/list_of_f1_winners_podiums_in_the_wet_80s_onwards/ I personally like best that he even copied 4 Button 1 Jenson
So 2009 the Red Bull was better than the Brawn??? The one even Barichello won several races with? Yeah right.... And 2017 the Ferrari was not eual...The Ferrari was in the mix at the beginning of the season until Mercedes worked out their "diva", in the second half the Mercedes was clearly better, in Silverstone almost a second a lap.... And 2007/2008? That is again a baseless assumption to make Lewis achievements look even better... So now there are no facts left... what about the GPS? As said: facts turned into "hot air", nothing new from the Lewis fanbase. Although you are only here for a week you can line into a long list of all the same "arguments"....
Beat Max last year and is beating him again this year for one thing... DC? Please. DC couldnt carry Ricci's jock
