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THE 2018 Monterey/Pebble Beach auction thread

Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by Timmmmmmmmmmy, May 29, 2018.

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  1. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy F1 Rookie

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    #276 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 26, 2018
    Gooding Saturday

    Ferrari
    Car - Low > High Estimate (US$) - Gross sale (US$) - Gross sale (EURO)/ Reported High Bid (non sales) - %+/- estimate

    1950 Ferrari 166MM/195S Touring Le Mans Berlinetta 0060M 145 $6,500,000 $7,500,000 Not sold $5.5 mil. N/A
    1964 Ferrari 250GT Lusso 5201GT 177 $1,400,000 $1,800,000 $1,320,000 €1,135,200 Mid
    1965 Ferrari 275GTS 07957 164 $1,500,000 $1,800,000 $1,760,000 €1,513,600 Mid
    1966 Ferrari Dino Berlinetta GT 00106 124 $2,000,000 $3,000,000 $3,080,000 €2,648,800 3%
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC 10513 119 $600,000 $700,000 $522,500 €449,350 -13%
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC Speciale 9653 150 $3,300,000 $3,800,000 $3,410,000 €2,932,600 Mid
    1972 Ferrari 365GTS/4 Michelotti Spider 14897 122 $500,000 $700,000 $572,000 €491,920 Mid
    1974 Ferrari 246GTS 08512 155 $500,000 $600,000 $528,000 €454,080 Mid
    1991 Ferrari F40 88083 112 $1,000,000 $1,200,000 Not sold $900k N/A
    2005 Ferrari 575 Superamerica 144211 133 $700,000 $900,000 $913,000 €785,180 1%
    2011 Ferrari F599SA Aperta 181885 137 $1,300,000 $1,600,000 $1,072,500 €922,350 -17%
    2011 Ferrari 599 GTO ?? 171 $500,000 $575,000 $533,500 €458,810 Mid
    2015 Ferrari 458 Speciale 211863 146 $375,000 $450,000 $385,000 €331,100 Mid
    2017 Ferrari GTC4 Lusso 70th Anniversary 231715 106 $500,000 $700,000 $522,500 €449,350 Mid

    Million dollar sales
    1993 Porsche 911/964 Carrera RS 3.8 WP0ZZZ96ZPS497105 158 $1,100,000 $1,400,000 $1,001,000 €860,860 -10%
    2011 Ferrari F599SA Aperta 181885 137 $1,300,000 $1,600,000 $1,072,500 €922,350 -17%
    1930 Packard 734 Speedster Phaeton 184-065 147 $1,000,000 $1,400,000 $1,127,500 €969,650 Mid
    1964 Ferrari 250GT Lusso 5201GT 177 $1,400,000 $1,800,000 $1,320,000 €1,135,200 Mid
    1966 Porsche 911 Bertone Spider 13421 161 $700,000 $1,000,000 $1,430,000 €1,229,800 Mid
    1965 Ferrari 275GTS 07957 164 $1,500,000 $1,800,000 $1,760,000 €1,513,600 Mid
    1955 Lancia Aurelia B24S Spider America B24S 1077 126 $1,500,000 $1,800,000 $1,870,000 €1,608,200 10%
    1963 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Roadster 198.042.10.003254 140 $1,800,000 $2,200,000 $2,530,000 €2,175,800 15%
    1938 Bugatti Type 57C Atalante 57-766 132 $2,800,000 $3,300,000 $2,805,000 €2,412,300 Mid
    1966 Ferrari Dino Berlinetta GT 00106 124 $2,000,000 $3,000,000 $3,080,000 €2,648,800 3%
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC Speciale 9653 150 $3,300,000 $3,800,000 $3,410,000 €2,932,600 Mid
    1959 Porsche 718RSK 718-024 128 $3,600,000 $4,100,000 $3,740,000 €3,216,400 Mid
    1955 Maserati A6GS/53 Frua Spider 2110 135 $5,500,000 $6,500,000 $5,170,000 €4,446,200 -6%

    Car I would most like to have in my garage, the 166MM, 718RSK or the Bugatti Type 57C, I also thought the Bertone 911 was superb but that is one expensive car. The 70th anniversary specials seem like expensive novelties so maybe that would be the car I wouldn't have bought.

    Sunday sales were $48 mil.

    *All of these prices are tentative, confirmed prices will be available from Gooding within the next week.
    Full coverage will be available at www.autoauctionsmonthly.com in approx. 10 days.
     
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  2. greyboxer

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    #277 greyboxer, Aug 26, 2018
    Thank you for this coverage - presumably they were unsold so can you advise high bid for the two Fords at Gooding (J10 & 1057) ?
     
  3. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #278 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 26, 2018
    J10 failed at $1.75 mil and 1057 at $2.8 mil.
     
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    #279 greyboxer, Aug 26, 2018
    Thanks - different cars but still a bit of a contrast to 1016 on Friday !
     
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    #280 carguyjohn350, Aug 26, 2018
    I hear you, but it's interesting.

    Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
     
  6. KenGoldman

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    #281 KenGoldman, Aug 26, 2018
    Gentlemen
    Remember— the high bid some times means Nothing

    The auction company can place multiple bids on behalf of the owner up to the reserve

    Thus you may see many bids when actually there is no one bidding at all

    See the terms of the sale

    Ken Goldman
     
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  7. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    #282 BMW.SauberF1Team, Aug 26, 2018
    I agree. I've been following these CLK GTRs for years and never realized they jumped up that high in value. This one was a run of a mill version and didn't have the rare 7.3L and wasn't a roadster. Like you said, it's not very streetable either.
     
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  8. Texas Forever

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    #283 Texas Forever, Aug 26, 2018
    Are you telling me the chandeliers are not real?
     
  9. Birel

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    #284 Birel, Aug 26, 2018
    And also in Korea, have seen this on a Maserati MC12.
     
  10. FERRARI-TECH

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    #285 FERRARI-TECH, Aug 26, 2018
    Joins Harry Yeagge's TR
     
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  11. miurasv

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    #286 miurasv, Aug 26, 2018
    Thanks. Congratulations to him!!!
     
  12. readplays

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    #287 readplays, Aug 26, 2018
    Spelling is Yeaggy, just for the record.
    Thank you FERRARI-TECH for the confirmation. It's gone to a good home.

    Agreed on the congrats, Steve.
    Harry is a nice guy and as much an enthusiast as you'll meet out there.

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    and 0850 to round things out is a heck of a set of competition Ferraris along side the other cars in his collection.
     
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  13. Nells250

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    #288 Nells250, Aug 26, 2018
    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/MO18/Monterey/lots/r0117-1962-ferrari-250-gto-by-scaglietti/695912

    Just came across this sale on a certain website... the comments readers were posting make me feel even MORE out of touch with today's world...

    Now, I have been sorta out of the car loop for a while, but when I saw the photo of this GTO, my pulse quickened. That means I am not completely dead automotively yet...

    Anyhoo, my point is it is amazing how people today care more that someone paid $$ for this GTO that "could have helped other people" than the fact it is an historical artifact, functional and preserved. They don't feel any passion about cars, which is becoming more and more common... SURE, the money could be used for something "better", but for cryin' out loud, if someone has money to spend LET THEM SPEND IT! Personally, I feel most of the modern luxury vehicles are wasted on most of today's buyers, but I don't go around saying they SHOULDN'T buy what they want.

    Dunno... it just bothered me reading what I was reading from people... Everyone can have an opinion, but I swear they all make me feel like I am from Mars or something... all alone...

    (SORRY, had to vent on this one...)
     
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  14. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    #289 BMW.SauberF1Team, Aug 26, 2018
    Anytime someone I know gets on their soapbox and tells me how it's wrong people spend this much on vintage cars, I turn the table on them and ask if they enjoy going to museums to view artwork. 100% of them say yes and then I tell them how much those works of art sell for...they quickly shut up and realize it's the same thing. Art on wheels vs art in a frame.
     
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  15. readplays

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    #290 readplays, Aug 26, 2018
    People can do whatever they want with their money. It's theirs. That doesn't obviate them from being responsible members of a civil society but...
    Questions of ethics and morality will be answered differently based on the individual.
    I think anything beyond that may be a topic for P&R.

    But I do find the current price levels depressing or 'stupid'.

    I'm a generation X guy. In this enthusiast's lifetime I've gone from seeing a GTO occasionally used to get groceries, to a car that's only used for vintage races cars and coffee and concours, to private tours only and rarely shown etc

    [WARNING: THIS IS A GENERALIZATION BASED ON SPECIFIC EXAMPLES. DO NOT REPLY WITH 'BUT WHAT ABOUT SO AND SO' OR I WILL PUT A HEX ON YOU AND NOT ANSWER YOUR POST. I AM, AFTER ALL, A WIZARD.
    I'M ONLY SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND DO NOT WISH TO CAST ASPERSIONS ON THE GTO OWNER YOU KNOW PERSONALLY WHO DOES NOT FIT THIS TREND.
    LOL]

    The price is what it is. Oh well. ;)
     
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  16. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    #291 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 26, 2018
    Totally agree. If you have the sort of net worth that affords dropping $45 - 70 mil. on a GTO or any car, you could always donate another $45 - 70 mil. to a charity and then its a guilt free purchase. I mean it would be like buying an icecream while on a diet, just donate another one to a homeless person, should balance out those calories lol.
     
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    #292 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Aug 26, 2018
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    #293 readplays, Aug 26, 2018
    With @Rob Lay as my witness, this may be the best analogy ever posted to Fchat. LOL :cool::p:D:rolleyes:;)
     
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  19. 375+

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    #294 375+, Aug 27, 2018
    I guess this needs to be posted for every auction thread:confused:
     
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  20. Texas Forever

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    #295 Texas Forever, Aug 27, 2018
    Is it too early for a consensus? I don't follow this all that closely, but just curious. Are "average" Enzo Ferraris flat or trending down? What about the super cars? Flat, up or down?
     
  21. F12KID

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    #296 F12KID, Aug 27, 2018
    Agree however I'm most certain that those who do drop such coin on such cars are hugely philanthropic! I certainly am and i know many many on here are as well.....

     
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    #297 F12KID, Aug 27, 2018
    Flat to downward.....but still holding....Not many (any) been traded for some time at the auctions.....I'm no expert on auctions yet, however if someone knows otherwise, please do chime in....
     
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  23. Tenney

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    #298 Tenney, Aug 27, 2018
    CNBC says (for real) supercars are down, but this was the biggest year since the peak in '14, due in large part to the Whittengoat ...
     
  24. Texas Forever

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    #299 Texas Forever, Aug 27, 2018
    So, the "average" ones are flat to down, but the supercars are up? Just curious. I don't have a dog in either hunt.
     
  25. Tenney

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    #300 Tenney, Aug 28, 2018
    They referenced Bugatti and La Ferrari as supercars.
     
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