Do we need Vettel for two more years?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

 

Yup, those too. Lacks racing craft when not out in front.

 

Yes. If he can get into the first turn in first place he is one of the best. You never see him again. But his wheel to wheel skills leave a lot to be desired and he gets seriously bad red mist. You have to be able to play the long game and know when to back out when you're fighting a team as good as LH and Mercedes

 

On that note I was actually surprised LH went for the kill/win at Monza. He risked his tires (and the race when passing Kimi into the chicane). Prost would have backed out and stayed happily with 2nd place. It's exciting that Hamilton goes for the win but it might not be the best strategy. Given his points lead now he could play it safer and resign himself to 2nd. Maybe it's not in his nature.

 

He knew that Kimi would give him room and also that Kimi's tires were done. Raikkonen himself knew he wasn't going win that race with about 10 laps to go in my opinion

 

Yep. He's lucky that Max wasn't driving that Ferrari. It would have become a LOT wider

 

If max was driving the ferrari, elton would be picking up bits of his car all the way to Milan high street hehehehehehe

 

I'm really disappointed of Vettel. He lost last season all by himself. And he effectively did so again with the disastrous wet race he threw away while way ahead in front. He's worse now than when he was a rookie. Don't know what his issue is, but he needs to go IMO. Max, while still immature, would be immensely better, but he doesn't fit the typical Ferrari mold of only hiring 'mature' drivers. Well, he seems more mature than Vettel IMO. I agree he's mentally weak; that's why I said this season is over. He won't get over his wet race stupidity, but obviously hope I'm wrong. We'll see. In addition, his childish outbursts are completely out of place for a 30+ driver, although haven't seen one lately. Not even Max has those, and he's a decade younger. The final nail in Ferrari's coffin is the apparently endless good luck Hamilton has, compared to all other drivers. But as the saying goes, you make your own luck, so maybe that's what's hapening, even though I don't see it that way. Anyway, unless all of a sudden LH gets his share of bad luck, and princess Vettel get his act together (as in not to continue throwing races away), it's over for Ferrari this season too.

 

Finger Boy wonder seems to be turning into
















BOY BLUNDER

 

Ouch lol I think with a small adjustment or adjustments he can refine his racing and continue to be successful. The trend over 2 years now is noticeable and mostly negative. Again Ferrari management need to deal with it. I would think they are?

 

Criticism of Vettel not fair says Wolff

SEPTEMBER 7, 2018



Toto Wolff has defended Sebastian Vettel amid widespread criticism of his driving in 2018.

Most now agree that Ferrari has the fastest car at the moment, but it is Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton with a comfortable 30 point lead with 7 races to go.

"I'm not completely neutral, but for me Lewis is the best driver of recent years," Mercedes team boss Wolff told Die Welt newspaper.

"Even so, I find the criticism of Sebastian not quite fair."

Indeed, pundits and the Italian press have been critical of the high-profile mistakes made by Vettel in 2018, particularly at Hockenheim but again on the first lap at Monza.

Wolff, though, says Vettel is just pushing hard.

"If possible to win, he has the ambition to do it with the necessary aggression," said the Austrian. "That requires a lot of courage and his way of driving sometimes leads to collisions.

"But let's not forget that he won four world championships. As I do with Lewis, you have to accept that (aggression).

"It could easily have been Lewis instead of Sebastian who spun (at Monza). Then the whole grand prix would have been different," said Wolff.

"In the high tech world of formula one, everything is not decided linearly and rationally, but also with luck, misfortune and coincidence."

 

For once I agree with Toto.

 

Toto playing nice cop for

Toto and his mind games lol. Not really being nice. Ask Toto if he would say the same about this at Mercedes. Points lost are real and take effort to recover. He is quite happy this is going on at Ferrari. He knows mistakes of Vettel in many cases are preventable

 

Imagine a scenario where Giles Villeneuve would have attacked Hamilton during the first lap and come off worst like Vettel did.
The tifosi would have applauded him and praised his aggression, because they want a Ferrari driver to fight, whatever the outcome.
But the tifosi will crucify Vettel in the same circumstances because he has never been truly accepted as a Ferrari driver.
Vettel was 4 times WDC, often at the expense of the Scuderia, defeating the red cars regularly, and the tifosi will never forgive that.
That's the way I read it through the calls for his replacement.

 

Vettel's unprofessional behavior under a safety car - 4 time WDC LOL.....really?
Rude and utter childish behavior on the radio - 4 time WDC - professional driver really?
Preventable errors in the fastest car this year and last
Denying responsibility for errors and radio incident
Afraid of actual competition with Ricci


Not much to like in total. Appears to be a poor strategic thinker and poor under pressure. If he left id not miss him.

 

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Just pushing hard? Maybe too hard at the wrong times. Yep, Ham could have spun, Seb could have won, but the cause for the contact was Seb. It was Seb's mistake. And Seb had 4 WDCs when there was no competition for RB.

 

That scenario has one big flaw...simply because Gilles would have smoked Kimi at the start!!!

 

Wonderful Pedro, classic F1. BTW what was the last F1 car to have a manual transmission, was it in the early 1990's?

 

Wish he was...Kimi needed to make Lewis' life more difficult

 

It was 1995, actually. The unforgettable Forti FG01.

 

I have to confess that I forgot about Forti. Many thanks!

 

Replacing Vettle is a stupid thought. I don't see anyone talking about the stupid calls made by Ferrari. I blame them for not imposing team orders on Raikkonen for letting Vettle get ahead of him. the lunge to cover Vettle at the start caused the accident. there is no way for Raikkonnen to win the WDC... he needs to support Vettle... its stupid to let them race each other.

as for Vettle not being mentally fit... that is stupid. he's just as strong as ever. instead of putting off on Vettle - he needs people support more now than ever. Raikkonen is the villan if you ask me. he should have let Vettle go... and we could have had a 1-2 or 1-3.

Nobody noticed that Vettle drove from dead last to 4th place? with 2 tire stops? pretty good if you ask me considering how far behind he was. Ferrari need to start getting better strategy going on... between both of them they need to be better at race strategy.

 

Vettel and Ferrari both lost out. Preventable. His drive from the back was no more remarkable than any other Ferrari or Mercedes drive from the back considering DRS and compliant mid fielders who have zero pace in comparison. That type of drive is totally expected given the pace of the car. Its not at all extra-ordinary.

 

He wouldn't have done that at Monaco, for sure !

 

Certainly there some track as exceptions!