488 Replacement

My understanding is that the V6 will be positioned like the 488 in terms of market and pricing, while the V8 will be in an upper segment. This would make more sense to me, because having a V8 instead of a V6 will not help to achieve better performance with the current technology.
Being lighter, the V6 might be more fun, but it would still be of a lower category - just like a Cayman compared to a 911.

 

I agree, V8 and V6 are probably to be separate cars based on same platform but not like Lusso same car with two engine option

 

The red wider 488 mule with quad high positionned exhaust and orange wire clearly visible = na v12 with some hybridation ala "laferrari " ?

 

The V6 will be like a modern Dino. The V8 will be the direct replacement for the 488, though it will move more upscale, as every platform since the 360/430 has. These are not rumors anymore.

 

In the slides there is mention of variable wheelbase from the same platform - that will also allow to differentiate the cars (unlike the Lusso).

 

It all depends on what we think the word "replacement" means.
The 488 was only slightly more expensive than the 458 in spite of bringing a lot more performance on the table, for me that role will be for the V6.
Also if the V8 would be the direct replacement for the 488, that would mean stopping the 488 production when introducing the new V8 (next year, while one more year is to be waited for the V6, from what I understand).
Which would mean losing the market segment of the current 488 price bracket, since the new V8 is expected to be positioned in a higher segment (with a price jump far more important than between the 458 and 488).
On the other hand, they could continue the 488 until the release of the V6. The 488 would be an aging car but would still sell because it would be far cheaper than the new V8.
Then the year after, they release the V6 and it will be accepted as a replacement (with a reasonably increased price) in spite of losing two cylinders, just because it'll be more modern and have more performance.

 

Ferrari is already winding down 488 production. The models will only overlap for one or two years, as they have done before with the 360 to 430, 430 to 458, and 458 to 488.

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The overlap has always been only a few months, sometimes spread over two different years (very few F430 were delivered in 2004, and probably no spider at all). I believe there has never been any overlap in terms of ordering (except for the special versions, i.e. one could probably order the VS of the previous generation while ordering was already open for the new model).
So what remains to be seen is whether it will still be possible to order a 488 GTB when the new V8 model will be orderable (the Pista being a different story).

 

Yes, I suppose I should have added calendar year overlap, because everyone trips over the smallest details.

As for the two layer split for the 488 replacement, I have now heard it explained two different ways that both add up to the same thing. Bottom line is, the V8 hybrid will be a huge leap in performance, so in another league than even the Pista. The V6 hybrid will be at about the same level as the 488, with an incremental improvement. In any case, I am very much looking forward to both cars.

 

Slightly less than 1600 to be precise. But supercar manufacturers always quote dry weight. At any rate, a car made of aluminium cannot be as lightweight as one made of carbon.

 

You make a point, I look forward to seeing this "True Supercar"!

 

It appears then that there will be three new cars rather than two which will replace the 488. The TT V8 first and then hybrid V8 and later the smaller V6 edition.
It would seem to make sense that a new model starts off with a conventional powertrain to keep it simple at the beginning of these new series models.
No wonder Ferrari can offer 15 new models in a short period of time with this more versatile aluminum platform. Even the 812 replacement will be built off of the same platform now.

 

So do you think we can expect the 812 replacement to be mid-engined? V12? That would be really interesting.

 

They imply a rear mid 12. However the new modular platform can accommodate both front mid and rear mid configuration. The cockpit is a cell and the subframe which carry the engine etc attach to it.

 

No I think there is a certain faction that just wants a conventional front engine V12 in the line up. That should be the 812 replacement engine location. Especially now that the trend in the Lusso is a V8. Also I doubt the new SUV will get a V12.
The new platform gives much more latitude in the models offered and the special bodies that could be created with the cost and development time savings.
As an alternative there is the potential to do a 488 replacement version with a V12 but that would be a very limited model near the LaFerrari level numbers built...

 

Amazing stuff. Ferrari will save a lot by making the cars in this modular platform but will sell the cars even more expensive.
Amazing stuff! Pay suckers

 

There are rumors saying the new V8 will have a F1-inspired hybrid, possibly with a MGU turbo. The V6 should have a more conventional hybrid system

 

The Portofino is the first car to make use of the new modular platform, so yes, 812 replacement could be front engined. Thing is, as you noted, the implication was pretty strong at the investor's presentation - the 812 successor was mentioned, I think, on the slide about rear mid-engine chassis with multiple wheelbases.

 

Right, so maybe one of the mid-rear options could be a V12 and not necessarily compete with the LaF successor which will be super-high tech, CF chassis, etc. And might even be the V6 like the Merc car, who knows. The V12 would go after the Events for and distinguish Ferrari from McL with their full line-up of V8s.

Also, I think the SUV will replace the Lusso, which was Ferrari's attempt to do as SUV without affecting their mystique. Now they're convinced they can do any SUV with no consequences expect for bigger sales.

 

Maybe Ferrari are trying to placate the shareholders. In the past they had no problem selling all their cars at ever higher prices. Even while still still leaving money on the table which some customers were more than happy to take for themselves by reselling their exclusive Ferrari model for a premium price...

 

Just realized a lot of what I wrote here came out somewhat mumble-jumbled due to fast swiping and stupid auto-correct.

So just to be clear:

...The V12 would go after the Aventador and also help distinguish Ferrari from McL with their full line-up of only V8s.

Also, I think the SUV will replace the Lusso, which was Ferrari's attempt to do as SUV without affecting their mystique. Now they're convinced they can do an SUV with no consequences except for bigger sales.

 

SUV to increase sales? Bentley can't sell them any longer and Lamborghini purposely delayed actual sales of theirs because of lackluster demand.

This is an ill begotten money grab that will fall flat on its face, going against the ethos of Enzo Ferrari.

 

Really - do you have stats to support this?

Everything I read is that the only segment which is actually growing is SUVs and from what I can see there are lots of Bentaygas on the roads


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Maybe those who wanted Ferrari to produce enough cars so that everyone who wanted one could get one and get rid of the speculators might get their wish. Thing is, you will need deep pockets - for the purchase price and the depreciation - so it might not be quite such a nice thing after all. Hopefully Ferrari strike a nice balance here. There are also so many cars in prospect that you can’t own them all. Choosing your purchase path through the range is going to be harder.

 

Project F173 is the V6 or the V8 car?