Mr. Glickenhaus

My last word on 0846, no really, this is the last time, for sure, I'm positive -- From the little I know, there is no way David Piper would sell an authentic P4 chassis to anyone. He would not make that kind of mistake.

 

ok, this thread has now become the NEW "The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread".

 

The whole "story" would make a good book. Ferrari throws the chassis into the dumpster Somebody steals it. Somehow Marcel Mancini as a young lad may or may not have gotten a glance of the pinched frame clearing customs in Switzerland. It later ends up in Piper's shop where decades later he sells it, wink-wink, to Glickenhaus. Good story. Too bad, the truth is boring.

Edit: Damn, I just realized I violated my vow. Is it possible to put a thread on ignore?

 

Interesting thread, but there is a question that is more important. Why are people so complacent with Ferrari revisionist history concerning Piero Lardi, now referred as Piero Ferrari?
The man was not an offspring of Enzo and his wife; he was the result of an extramarital affair......... Just wondering.

 

That he was the result of an extramarital affair makes Piero is no less of a son to Enzo Ferrari than Dino. What has this got to do with the subject of this thread, Mr Glickenhaus?

 

I'm pretty sure that idea or something similar has kept the mystery aloft all these years.

 

That is true, however a WISER man once said "if you argue with a fool (ie unethical, no morals, etc) he will defeat you, but if you argue with an educated and ethical individual you will defeat him".

 

To me this should be the very first thing someone contemplates before even looking at the evidence.

 

Lol you can't ignore it... it always circles back... just when you think you are out... it pulls you RIGHT BACK IN!!!!!!!!

 

To say that piero changing his name from Lardi to Ferrari is revisionist history is just simply inaccurate.

And... to make a snooty/rude/jerk comment. Piero is a real ferrari/product of enzo ferrari. Jims D3/0846 is not.

There I said it.

 

And you know this by having been present when both were produced ?

 

There is an error in your premise ^

 

To this day there remain falsehoods in Ferrari lore that continue to be repeated because they were in print at some point in the past. Some of the falsehoods occurred for innocent reasons while some were extremely self serving fabrications. Look in the vintage section to see that there are still discussions trying to identify which car, by serial number, was in some race or who its owner was. Now, we know that Ferrari did some murky things through the decades that make some of this quest for accuracy difficult.

So, with this "0846" it is a legitimate concern that it is properly recognized as what it is and not get washed into legitimacy when the current folks are no longer around.

 

There is that Glickenhaus made out that it was him that identified his Ford GT MK IV J6 as the car that came 4th, and not the winner of Le Mans, 1967 as he said was previously thought. Many people on FChat including John Houghtaling gave him credit for him allegedly investigating and finding out about this and revealing this information to the world, which would have been to his detriment, but the information was already well known way before he bought J6 and even published in Ronnie Spain's 1986 GT40 book that JG actually had in his possession. I posted this in the 0846 thread.

 

I am not aware of controversies about 002, as it related to JG. I am aware that Stan Nowak perpetrated some "stories" about this car when it was restored and shown back in about 1982 or 1983.

 

Glickenhaus has also claimed that he had the engine from the winning Ford GT MK IV at Le Mans, 1967 but Mose Nowland has said on video that the winning engine is still in J5 that was right next to him.

See video from 2.39.




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My understanding is that it is the oldest Ferrari carrying its original serial number. The issue of "first" is about what happened to 01C, 02C and if there ever was a 03C and what became of it. The other 2 (or is it 3) preceded 002 but they were "recycled" by the factory into new later serial numbers and sold as new cars after 002.

This is part of the murky world of the earliest years of Ferrari when they were a seriously struggling entity emerging out of the ruins of WWII. At this time Ferrari was still making machine tools and had not fully committed to being a car manufacturer.

There may be some new relevant material in the special edition book about this period in 1947 but I have yet to see the book. At its price few are likely to see it.

Rob: Does this answer your question?

 

I should add that 01C, 02C, 03C and 002 was all old discussion points that pre-date JG's ownership. But, JG should, apparently, be credited for the research done during the restoration of 002 and the attempt to correct past errors from the effort completed in the early 1980s.

 

i had not come back to this thread for some time, and now that i have, i see that i am being impugned for lack of moral rectitude.....
that saddens me.
my posts were in objection to the manner in which steve has pursued his quest, not for the truth as he so often professes, but more to belittle and deride jim for a very long period of time.

i dont profess to know the entire story, and i dont disbelieve either party. i frankly dont care about the car.

i have had a long relationship with Jim, so i wont deny that i like him and we are friends.
i have never met steve, but from what i read from him, i am not in a hurry to do so.

settle this issue without me. all i did was state a preference.

 

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Really? Ok.

Lina and Enzo said Piero is a product of Ferrari

Sadly Jims car DP3/0846 is not a Ferrari... as stated multiple times from ferrari and remains there stance today.

Have any other ridiculous JG fanboy questions to pose? Go ahead and tee another one up. Its fun

 

exactly. it is important to get it right. Especially when you have nothing to gain or lose by it.