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488 Replacement

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by ajr550, Feb 21, 2018.

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  1. italiafan

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    I am concerned this will all go poorly for Ferrari.
     
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  2. cesman

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    +1

    They look like they’re adopting Porsche’s strategy of not leaving so much money on the table for speculators.


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  3. F2003-GA

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    Exactly - Which means more profits for them
     
  4. islandtrader

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    Buy some Ferrari stock, more profits for you.


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  5. Caeruleus11

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    I think the presentation said they will have two distinct production car platforms going forward.

    1. REAR MID ENGINE ARCHITECTURE. Which allows for variable wheelbase, will be 2 seater, can be hybrid or no and apparently can accommodate V6, V8, V12 and appears to be RWD.

    2. FRONT MID ENGINE ARCHITECTURE. Variable wheelbase, seats 2, 2+, 2+2, or 4. Variable height suspension. Can be hybrid or no. Apparently can accommodate V6, V8, V12. Can be RWD or AWD.

    To read this literally, they could build a mid engine V12 2 seater, but it would not be, strictly speaking, on the same platform as the likely 812 successor.

    What's also interesting is it seems they are not showing electric motors directly driving any wheels. So I think this gives a bit of a sense of the hybrid direction- whether they stay with the HYKERS concept as on LaFerrari or they try something different like they showed in their latest patent filing with what appears to be a kind of combination sometimes electric supercharger/ sometimes turbocharger.

    In the end this will come down to whether or not the cars continue to be desirable.
     
  6. maha

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  7. Jonathan19

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    Maybe a mule of the new Mid-Engine Car to Sit Above the 488.
     
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  8. therryzsx

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    15 new models in next 3 years so hard to tell :)
     
  9. jpalmito

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    Certainly the mule of a mid engined car .
    One of the two coming.
     
  10. Jonathan19

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    Yes, it's hard to say.
     
  11. superscoop

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    Call me weird but I'd love if the new car has a pop up headlight design. Ferrari needs to bring the design back on a modern car.
     
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  12. ajr550

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    My recollection is that pop ups are not allowed in some countries if car is to be road legal.
    Happy to be corrected !
     
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  13. Bundy

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    More weight. Less aerodynamic efficiency. Packaging issues in an already tight front engine or trunk compartment. Unnecessary mechanical complexity that can break.

    I love eighties cars but I don’t see the rationale behind going backwards.


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  14. crinoid

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  15. REALZEUS

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    They are illegal in the EU, for pedestrian safety reasons. Also, they add weight and ruin the aero when deployed. What might be legal though, would be lights that are obscured by a sliding cover that would retract. Still, too much of a complication and an aero nightmare.
     
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  16. Solid State

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    Goo points. And they are ugly deployed IMO. Used to own one and kept it closed. Also prone to breaking and getting the one eye open look.
     
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  17. LVP488

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    pop-up lights were a solution when some countries (e.g. the US) required vertical glasses on the headlights - so it was a way to work around the aero penalty when the lights were not used (for instance, that was why the 365 GTB/4 "Daytona" replaced the perpex hidden lights by pop-up lights).
    Nowadays it does not make sense.
     
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  18. of2worlds

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    The headlight revision was a work in progress when these Daytona factory cars were photographed. >

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  19. G. Pepper

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    The Daytona was the first Ferrari I fell in love with, alongside the 365 GTC/4 2+2. Sublime era in Ferrari design, IMO. Those are the first modern cars to me. Anything before is classic. Everything after is Mod Squad.
     
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  20. Albert-LP

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    rumors tell aboout a 120 degree V6 engine with a mid mounted single turbocharger: 3.0 liters, 750 Hp (and then you have to add the hybrid module power output, other 163 hp?)

    ciao

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    Rumors are just rumors, please don't forget about that
     
  21. jpalmito

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    Those rumors are related to 488 replacement or the new top of the class above ?
     
  22. Albert-LP

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    maybe both? Who knows, rumors are just rumors. Very likely the new engine will be installed on several models. Today the V8 fits Portofino, 488 and GTC4 Lusso T...

    ciao
     
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  23. G. Pepper

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    The 488 replacement will be a V6 hybrid, while the new top of the line rear-mid engine car will be a V8 hybrid with V12 performance, allegedly.
     
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  24. Doug23

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    Should be a very compact package to fit a wide 120° vee in a front engine layout
     
  25. F2003-GA

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    I’ll second that :)
     
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