How well would Hamilton do in the Schumacher/Hakinnen period?

I know, i respect that, i was just stating the fact that Ham is the only driver is history to win in all competing years.

 

I think you should watch it again, had nothing to do with Ferrari having more HP. Its how crappy of an exit Hamilton got coming out of Eau Rouge. You can see he had a big bobble mid corner which hurts his exit and allowed Vettel and both Force India's close up on him.

 

Some stats:

Ferrari 2000: 10 race wins/17 races = 58,82%
Ferrari 2001: 9 race wins/17 races = 52,94%
Ferrari 2002: 15 race wins/17 races = 88,24%
Ferrari 2003: 8 race wins/16 races = 50,00%
Ferrari 2004: 15 race wins/18 races = 83,33%
Ferrari 2000-2004: 57 race wins/85 races = 67,06%


RBR 2010: 9 race wins/19 races = 47,37%
RBR 2011: 12 race wins/19 races = 63,16%
RBR 2012: 7 race wins/20 races = 35,00%
RBR 2013: 13 race wins/19 races = 68,42%
RBR 2010-2013: 41 race wins/77 races = 53,25%


Merc 2014: 16 race wins/19 races = 84,21%
Merc 2015: 16 race wins/19 races = 84,21%
Merc 2016: 19 race wins/21 races = 90,48%
Merc 2017: 13 race wins/20 races = 65,00%
Merc 2018 (up to and including Russian GP): 8 race wins/16 races = 50,00%
Merc 2014-2018 (up to and including Russian GP): 72 race wins/95 races = 75,79%

 

But this is where the problem is, Hamilton is good, but we have never seen him on a team that were mediocre to turn them into a championship winning team.

 

That would be known as a "slipstream." Hamilton has been around awhile you'd think he would know how those work by now. Where has this beast Ferrari super secret tricks PU been the last few races? Nowhere.

The statistics (poles, win rate, fastest laps, front low lock outs, etc etc) all show that Mercedes 2014-2018 has been the most dominant 5 year stretch by any team in the history of the sport. Again, it's not close, you can't argue it and all that information is there for you to look up.

 

What he said. When you throw poles into the mix it's even more ridiculous.

 

And then the mods still think that this is NOT trolling...sigh

 

I agree

 

Does'nt mean he can't, he has'nt had to.

 

How many WCC's and WDC's did Mercedes have before Hamilton???

 

he switched right before a major rules change and Merc had been developing a monster engine for years prior to Hamilton even sniffing Mercedes. Pascal Wehrlein and Marcus Ericcsson would have walked to both titles in 2014. Hamilton had nothing to do with building Merc's dominance in the hybrid era.

 

@P.Singhof: It is debate. If you want to change viewpoints, this is the effective way to respond:

All the best,
Andrew.

 

I go away and still the same Elton fans trying hard to convince anyone that will listen that their little chap is the best ever? Christ almighty.

Still, blah blah blah, who cares.


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More than Lewis had before joining Mercedes

 

He asks how the current Mercedes can be the most dominant car in the history of F1 despite the fact Ferrari scored more points in the 1950s and 1960s than Mercedes and you really think this is a valid point for a debate??? Yeah right...

 

And not to mention incredible Merc reliability. IIRC Hamilton had zero technical DNF's in 2017. Compare that to the V10 era

 

2 before Hamilton, when they were with McLaren. They would of have won in 2005 with Kimi who had 10 wins, but the motor was unreliable.

 

Nope. Hamilton went to Mercedes in 2013 before the turbo era, he helped Mecedes develope the 2014 car during that time. Mercedes knew they had to get the best driver on the grid, it was vital to their future success. Having a better car does'nt buy you championships, you gotta have a great driver. Ask Barrichello, Webber or Vettel 2017&18

 

You can put that top 6 drivers currently on the grid OR at that time(2014)....(Currently) Alonso, Seb, Kimi, Ricci, Max, Perez, Ocon and they can do just as good or better in the W09 or its variants.

 

It was a reasonable question that was easily answered by others who made substantiated arguments. If you can't do that yourself, cannot abide opposing views, and get offended merely by the question initiating the debate (crying "troll"), it looks like you're too sensitive for forum participation.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

The same can be said if they were in the Ferrari, especially in 17&18. Yeah they will do better but winning a champion also takes being consistant, dealing with pressure, and not making many mistakes, all which are none car related

 

This was a "resonable question"??? What has the amount of points achieved by Ferrari "in the History of F1" to do with whether a car nowadays is dominant or not??? Last time I checked Ferrari got a bonus payment for their longtime service in F1 but I can´t remember them starting with a point bonus at the beginning of the season so previous points help them exactly NOTHING.
And the answer you are referring to is not even the answer to ktus question!!!

 

Yeah right, they needed Lewis to develop their PU as their engineer did not get it done...fortunately Lewis came to help them....

 

Sigh. I suggest you try another thread to enjoy, this one seems to confuse and upset you.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

It was actually Brawn and Schumacher who developed key elements of the car that Hamilton stepped into.