car design thread | Page 290 | FerrariChat

car design thread

Discussion in 'Creative Arts' started by jm2, Oct 19, 2012.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Tcar

    Tcar F1 Rookie

  2. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Aug 19, 2002
    19,168
    michigan
    Full Name:
    john
    G. Pepper and anunakki like this.
  3. energy88

    energy88 Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jan 21, 2012
    32,154
    West of Fredericksburg, VA
    Full Name:
    John
    jm2 likes this.
  4. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Aug 19, 2002
    19,168
    michigan
    Full Name:
    john
    Discussing this in class today.
    I think it’s very cool.
     
  5. energy88

    energy88 Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jan 21, 2012
    32,154
    West of Fredericksburg, VA
    Full Name:
    John
    G. Pepper, tritone and jm2 like this.
  6. Protouring442

    Protouring442 F1 Veteran

    Sep 5, 2007
    8,723
    Harriman, TN
    Full Name:
    One Stupid SOB

    Or some sort of stylish toaster. Yuck.
     
  7. bitzman

    bitzman F1 Rookie
    BANNED

    Feb 15, 2008
    3,287
    Ontario, CA
    Full Name:
    wallace wyss
    Jeff can you write me at [email protected]
    I can't figure out how to delete PMs from Fchat, as my mailbox is full.
     
  8. NeuroBeaker

    NeuroBeaker Advising Moderator
    Moderator

    Oct 1, 2008
    40,005
    Huntsville, AL., USA
    Full Name:
    Andrew
    "Leave Conversation" is the new delete action.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  9. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 8, 2005
    78,831
    Las Vegas Nevada
    Full Name:
    Jerry
    Texas Forever and jm2 like this.
  10. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 8, 2005
    78,831
    Las Vegas Nevada
    Full Name:
    Jerry
    jm2 likes this.
  11. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Eight Time F1 World Champ
    BANNED Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 28, 2003
    85,600
    Texas!
    ingegnere likes this.
  12. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Aug 19, 2002
    19,168
    michigan
    Full Name:
    john
  13. 330 4HL

    330 4HL Formula 3

    May 12, 2005
    1,632
    Vancouver
    Full Name:
    Rick Bradner
    WOW! You can say what you want, but, like it or not, the French still do SHOW CARS!
    This is the sort of thing GM used to do so well; push the limits -
    Awesome in its range of ideas presented in one shot!
    Props to the Regie -
     
    jm2 likes this.
  14. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Aug 19, 2002
    19,168
    michigan
    Full Name:
    john
    I agree 100%.
    There are so many cool things about the Renault you don't know where to start.
    It borders on the unbelievable, but that's what showcars are supposed to do. Provoke.
    No one does what the French do. It's awesome.
     
    anunakki likes this.
  15. ModernLou

    ModernLou Karting

    Dec 20, 2017
    96
    Full Name:
    Lou Zucaro
    But what is the point of designing a show car with those wheel well skirts (or whatever they're called) that touch the ground when no car can actually be built like that? It's not like that could be "a thing" one day.

    I absolutely love the passenger compartment design...amazing!
     
    jm2 likes this.
  16. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Aug 19, 2002
    19,168
    michigan
    Full Name:
    john
    I’m with you on those. I asked the same question.
    It’s the current ‘in’ thing amongst the design community.
    Who ever heard of flat bottomed wheels/tires.
    Sometimes it’s just style for style’s sake..........what can I say?
    I still love the car!
     
  17. ModernLou

    ModernLou Karting

    Dec 20, 2017
    96
    Full Name:
    Lou Zucaro
    "Yes, eet does not move, but as you can eemazhun, you will be very comfortabluh in zee stillness, oui?"
     
    jm2 likes this.
  18. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Aug 19, 2002
    19,168
    michigan
    Full Name:
    john
    Is the concept of the Auto Show doomed?
    The French are well known for their love of philosophy. And we’re leaving the Mondial de l’Auto, to give the Paris motor show its proper name, with some fairly existential questions – particularly about the future of these events.

    It had its moments, of course – seeing the great Giorgetto Giugiaro proudly exhibiting a new concept at the age of 80 was undoubtedly one, while several cars including the pretty Peugeot e-Legend, the oh-so-French Citroen DS 3 Crossback and the thoughtful Renault EZ rangewere very worthy of scrutiny. And it’s always useful to get all the automotive higher-ups together in one place, even if they’re insanely busy and access to them is mostly fiercely guarded by stroppy PRs.

    There was even one proper old-school car launch in the form of Vinfast’senthusiastic extravaganza, which featured acrobats, a beauty queen and a totally random celebrity in the shape of David Beckham.

    Open in new window" style="box-sizing[​IMG]
    Somewhere in the middle of that lot is Miss Vietnam. And a car.

    But from the perspective of a journalist, or an enthusiast, the show was somewhat disappointing, simply because so much of the content had already been released elsewhere previously – either by accident or, more usually, by design. Many of the cars had been officially launched several weeks beforehand, complete with excellent pictures, comments from all the personnel involved and a full set of specifications.

    Quite a few manufacturers had already held official pre-launch events at which hand-picked journalists could see and sometimes even drive the cars, all well before the show’s press days. If you clicked on any of the links above, did you spot how many were from days or weeks before the show?

    All you could hope to get at the show were worse pictures, thanks to the usual spotty, glare-inducing lighting, and possibly an interview with somebody responsible for the car in which they would repeat pretty much exactly what they’d told their company’s marketing team several weeks previously for the press release.

    And even those cars which hadn’t been given an official early preview were exposed anyway. For instance, BMW’s normally airtight secrecy sprang a large leak, with a full set of pictures of the 3 Series everywhere on the internet before the show opened. In an online age, information spreads fast and widely.

    Open in new window" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">[​IMG]
    The BMW 3-Series: Leaked early, even the brown version

    There are sound reasons for jumping the gun from the manufacturers’ point of view, of course. Getting your car out early ensures that it won’t be drowned out by the noise of the many simultaneous launches at the show, and it’s much easier to control the story too.

    But while this may all sound merely like jaded hacks whining, this was an issue that we heard echoed on all sides of the industry too. For manufacturers, these events are incredibly costly, and there are now many more ways to promote their products to the trade and public than in the heyday of the grand motor show, when eager customers would flock to admire the shiny metal and lay down deposits on the spot. Do the OEMs really need to spend all that money on a real-world event, when would-be buyers are doing their vehicle shopping online?

    Some had clearly already made that decision. This year’s Paris event felt sparsely populated, with acres of empty carpet where there should be vehicles, thanks to absences from big names like VW, Volvo, GM and Ford among others.

    Open in new window" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">[​IMG]
    Somewhere across that carpet desert are some show stands

    There was an entire hall full of a rather lovely but very widely spaced array of classics, many from the Renault museum.

    Open in new window" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">[​IMG]
    A lovely collection of classics, but suspiciously spacious

    Then there was the ‘mobility’ hall, with a rag-tag mixture of highly random exhibitors which had a slightly desperate air of space-filling.

    Open in new window" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">[​IMG]
    The mobility hall. In space, no-one can hear you vacuum

    In a conversation with the team behind one of the other major motor shows, they revealed that they were confident about next year’s event but simply had no idea what would happen after that. Which feels quite accurate to us. Detroit is moving its date after the next show in an attempt to rejuvenate itself, while the LA show is moving much more in a CES/Ted Talks direction (with some success). Tech show CES itself has possibly become a victim of its own enormous success (see also SXSW) and there is no longer a real global-level show in the UK, Italy or many other large markets. Unless, of course, you count Goodwood or Villa d’Este, which many do, along with Pebble Beach. Those events are increasingly becoming alternative car launch venues.

    So are we seeing the sunset of the traditional motor show era? As French philosopher and world-class misery-guts Jean-Paul Sartre put it, “every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance.” Which is a little harsh, even for us, but you can see the point. While we wish no ill-will to the great shows – at their best they can be splendid, exciting things – they may be starting to feel more than a little irrelevant.

    Open in new window" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">[​IMG]
    The 1946 Paris show, when they really packed them in...
     
    anunakki likes this.
  19. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Eight Time F1 World Champ
    BANNED Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 28, 2003
    85,600
    Texas!
    God is dead.
     
  20. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Eight Time F1 World Champ
    BANNED Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 28, 2003
    85,600
    Texas!
    I dunno if this pic is real. However, given current journalist standards I hereby deem it to be true because I want it to be. I'm willing to bet that a Honda 90 was the first motorized device you rode or drove; if it wasn't, it was probably a close second. Check out the new electric Honda 90.

    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
    G. Pepper and jm2 like this.
  21. jm2

    jm2 F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Aug 19, 2002
    19,168
    michigan
    Full Name:
    john
    Very cool
     
  22. NeuroBeaker

    NeuroBeaker Advising Moderator
    Moderator

    Oct 1, 2008
    40,005
    Huntsville, AL., USA
    Full Name:
    Andrew
    You would lose that bet. I've never ridden a motorcycle or scooter and have never driven a Honda. Thinking on it... I actually don't recall ever even sitting in a Honda.

    The closest I got was sitting in an Acura MDX for a moment while car shopping, but didn't test drive that example.

    Where do I collect my winnings? :D

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  23. ModernLou

    ModernLou Karting

    Dec 20, 2017
    96
    Full Name:
    Lou Zucaro
    Also never ridden a Honda 2-wheeler, and have only driven a motorcycle once, for about 11 seconds, indoors. Not for me.

    That said, the vehicle on the right is a pretty darn cool design, real or otherwise.
     
  24. wax

    wax Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Jul 20, 2003
    52,409
    SFPD
    Full Name:
    Dirty Harry
    Tractor
    Honda SS50
    Honda Trail 90

    "The pheasants are beneath me." - SoCal to az
    "I have very few pet peeves in life . . . " - PeterS
    "Change is inedible" - fc2
     
    MK1044 likes this.

Share This Page