I would say this is his low point. I thought the idiotic move to hit Hamilton at Baku was it but he fell another peg. Hamilton just doesn't make the mistake Vettel does. You have to wonder what Leclerc will do to him next year. Ferrari is NOT going to make Leclerc the "number 2 driver" until it's obvious how the season is going.
But how do you want to valuate "what Lewis has done" without questioning how difficult it was to achieve??? You said you have children... when one of them came home and told you they have a B in Math, did you just tap their shoulders without questioning whether the average was A- or D+? The result is still the same but your valuation might be a different one. So it certainly makes a difference whether he "achieved" something none of his team mates could have done (like Schumacher 1996) or whether every monkey could have done that...So Nico might not have been a monkey but obviously if Lewis was not there he could have done the job just as good, Mercedes would have still won AT LEAST the first three championships. So Lewis "achievement" is actually not winning the championship with Mercedes but purely beating his team mate, and in 2016 he even came second in the two-drivers championship... And this is what people try to tell you guys for a long time: your valuation in what Lewis achieved is way off reality! Nobody denies that he achieved it but the valuation is very different, just as with Vettel before. But for some reason you guys share this as soon as it comes to Vettel and Red Bull but at Mercedes you are in total denial!
Yea it is his low point or maybe he can go lower who knows. But you don’t just fire a 4 time world champ because of one bad season a lot of which is also the teams fault. Regroup next year, if he still does stupid stuff then drop him. If Ferrari can’t build a car as fast as the Mercedes in 2019 it’s all a moot point anyhow.
That’s because they didn’t But it’s not just one bad season though. Last year he had a bad season too and in 2014 Ricciardo wiped the floor with him. Also in 2016 he had a mediocre season and got out qualified by old man Kimi. So in all honesty Vettel has had quite a few bad seasons. That’s not even mentioning the years he scraped by Alonso to championships even though Alonso was driving what may as well have been go karts. So the signs have been there all along there is nothing special at all about Vettel.
An objective look at Vettel is showing he is not all that great at all. Exposed badly again this year on his race-craft and decision making. How much longer does Ferrari need to throw money at his losses.
Your vile attempts to discredit Hamilton's achievement are truly pathetic. As I said before, I think your goal in life is really to tarnish him because of reasons upon which I don't wish to extend. The motivations of the Hamilton haters have been already discussed here. Keep on ... I'll block your posts from now on.
So anyone who dislikes Hamilton is a Rrrrrrrraaaaacccccciiissstt. Gotcha. And I’ll block your posts from now on.
Well, one thing I never thought anyone could throw at Pete was an insinuation he is a racist. I must have missed that post, and I reckon someone else must’ve written it, because the last thing I’d ever expect from him is any kind of comment related to that. Of course, there isn’t a post from Pete, this is a poster deciding he has lost his argument (and similarly the claim that Schumacher deserved his skiing accident and terrible consequences through karma - yeah, he really did say that). I think I’ll take the insinuation with a pinch of salt and hope Pete knows that no one save the above thinks anything of the sort Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
So only yesterday you did contradict yourself big time, you thanked me for a statement you fought me 3 pages for before, you told us that having stolen goods is not a crime as long as you admit it when asked first time and you said Michaels condition is karma....great day As soon as you run out of arguments you start your usual "discredit/dismiss/diswathever" drivel about Lewis´"achievements" whereas you like every junk said about virtually ever other driver, be it Alonso, Schumacher, Vettel, Verstappen... without any issues whether this is a "discredit" of their achievements. But I know, neither of them is "the best driver WE ever had in Britain" but then you have the nerves to insinuate others profane or even lower motives as a lifetime goal Yes, please. Take your ball and go home. Looking at what you posted yesterday alone I doubt that I lost a capable conversation partner... I on the other hand will keep your posts up because it is actually funny how you shovel your own grave from time to time
Mercedes responded to the challenge of Ferrari after Spa. Sergio's passing was hardly a reason for loss of performance on the track. A better Mercedes, a mistake prone team and Vettel are the reasons for Mercedes leading now.
JV offers this 'assessment' lol https://www.planetf1.com/news/jv-vettels-book-on-how-to-lose-a-championship/
the team has been in disarray since his death. Vettel's mind seems elsewhere, strategy/execution on track has been a joke by the team and upgrades have stopped working. I don't think it's any coincidence
Vettel's book will be more interesting after this year. He is looking weaker and weaker over time. His titles now are a bit of a joke in comparison to his Ferrari time now. He may have 4 but he is hardly a dominant driver. Just ask Ricci LOL His impatience is almost equal to Max' if not exceeding it. Vettel is a poor risk taker. Hardly a strategist.
Vettel is racing in very different conditions now, than when he was driving for Red Bull. It is evident that he meets more opposition than then, and don't benefit from the same team support and dominant car. I think that's why he makes mistakes Under pressure.
Sebastian Vettel: Ferrari Formula 1 team must prove itself again - Sure Seb but that means you need to drive much smarter, controlled and in a manner of strategy by not trying to win on lap 1 or make very poor moves early on. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139287/vettel-ferrari-must-prove-recent-form-isnt-real
Vettel used to be coached/advised during races by Christian Horner at Red Bull. I don't think he receives the same tactical support from Arrivabene. The racing strategy at Ferrari looks more improvised than planned.
I remember some years ago, when Vettel already had 4 titles, Hamilton was asked to rate the German and he answered "I don't know, it's difficult to say how good he really is". At that time I thought that Hamilton had been very arrogant because even though Newey Red Bull completed dominated, Vettel at least beat Webber fair and square. So I became one of the many "Hamilton sucks" guys like in this forum. Not anymore. I now think Hamilton was very right: Vettel simply commits too many mistakes to be considered among the best. Many of the greats such as Schumacher, Senna, Piquet, or even drivers like Rosberg, Raikkonen, and Hakkinen never ever committed such basic mistakes in decisive moments. Anyway, once again looking forward to the strongest pairing of all time in 2021: Hamilton & Leclerc.
