How well would Hamilton do in the Schumacher/Hakinnen period?

The problem is not even about people having different opinions, which happens in all walks of life, but the insistance of some parties to convice you that you are wrong, and that you should adopt their point of view. No less.
That hardly happens in everyday life, in religions, in politics, etc ...so what is the point?
It's rather immature to bash someone until he changes his mind, or quit, leaving the forum to a clique of participants with partisan views.
People on this forum tend to see F1 from different angles, let's accept that and tolerate different opinions.
I did put a few people on ignore because discourse with them becomes unpleasant before long.
Why should I have to put up with it? For them it may be funny to niggle people; but I don't come here for that.

 

I know why... and this says more about him than about me

Well.... your friend ktu certainly posts a lot of drivel just to keep it going. If you really think this is for any other reasons I doubt your judgement. Or how would you put a statement measuring the popularity compared to Schumacher with the amount of posts in a "sucks" thread???

I do not know why people always assume that we (or I if I do not speak for others) try to silence voices of people rooting for others than the Ferrari, it is simply not true. Everybody is entiteled to his opinion and when someone says he likes Lewis he is welcome, why not so.
What I do not get is why someone with no other interest than Lewis Hamilton signs up in a forum that says "FerrariChat" on the top? I would be interested what the motives are and I still do not see any others rather than masochism or trolling... This is a complete different story than someone like you being here for ages rooting for a different driver now...Those are the people responsible for all this going down, it changed when they joined and for some reason they only appeareed since Lewis is sitting in the Mercedes.

And what I do not like are double standards. We are all biased in one or the other way but when someone boasts how he has to fight the hate while being hatefull himself against several other drivers I think this should be exposed as when someone claims disrespect against the achievements of ONE driver while being beyond disrespectfull against several others...This has nothing to do with simply rooting for a different driver, this is a question of character.

And her comes the difference.... even when you do not like daytonas post you have to give him that he never made a secret out of his oppinion whereas the other guy in question is asking for standards with other people he certainly does not match himself. And just as I think Lewis is fake in his personality I think a few of his followers are as well.

Neither do I but this is a typical reaction from the pro-Hamilton fraction: lowering everybody else as haters. When you looks at the argumentation you guys (and that includes you) put down the "motivation" of posts against Lewis frequently to low characteristics like hate, jealousy, racism....
So every other opinion is devalued but yet you feel treated unfair yourself in this evil forum

 

Ok fair points raised.

However I never had you down as a hater anyway, maybe if you think you are getting labeled with that tag, it maybe a case of that you do not ever appear to disagree with the all the vitriol posted about him, but only jump on poster's that rebuke it, you see it's never ending circle.

I believe that maybe it is the sheer amount of criticism leveled at Hamilton that makes folk think there must be, for want of a better word, lets say a more sinister reason.
But after all I accept with the likes of Hamilton and Schumacher before him, that folk just love to hate a winner.

And to get back on topic I reckon Hamilton would fair really well in the Schumacher/Hakinnen period, he has inherent skill as a driver IMO but I'd probably be rooting for Hakinnen, I liked him, and I don't really know why, it maybe because it was to stop MS winning all the time, so you see, I know how you feel

There again times change skill sets required change, near impossible to compare.

 

First of all I think there is no need for me to "disagree with the vitriol" about him, other do that enough... But you will not see me liking what you call vitriol, be it his dressing, singing, hairs or whatever. And I do not think that you will see me jumping on people on rebuking unless they get unreasonable. Because then you have exactly the double standards I am talking about: you can not rebuke someone as a hater when you give back the similar hate at the same moment.
And what I simply not understand is the fact that Lewis is regarded so different by his fans like he is the first to do something whatever it is. If he wins a race from pole in the fastest car start-finish it is a "great drive" while Vettel and Schumacher and many before did exactly the same thing and nobody here came up with "what a brilliant drive", they were more like "how boring, I had to mow my lawn"

Why are you always looking for a reason at those making the claim that he is not a likeable person, why don´t you simply accept the fact that he appears unlikeable to many the way he represents himself. I always understood why many people did not like Schumacher, because he did appear cold in public eye. But as I said, compared to the British press back in the Schumacher days many of the posts about Lewis are harmless...

I actually do not think that Lewis would have been that great in the Schumacher era... not because he lacks the talent but because I doubt that with all his other interests he would have been the one putting in the hours required in the time of unlimited testing. It is well known that Lewis is rather lazy in that compartment and therefor might enjoy the current formula.
And once again: I do not say that Lewis is NOT one of (or maybe even the) best at the moment but I simply do not see a proof for that unless he "works wonders in an inferior car". You might say it is not his fault that he does not need to but just as it boosts his stats it always leaves a questionmark at the same time.

 

Ermm well I hear your point about Lewis in a inferior car, but I doubt he is just going to deliberately choose a poor car/team to try and prove a point, as long as the top teams want him that is.

Here is what Alonso has said about Vettel in a similar scenario you are referring to..will have to see if the same is said about Hamilton in the future.

Fernando Alonso's words on Sebastian Vettel following the Brazilian Grand Prix in 2013 have turned out to be spot on.

Vettel went onto win the race in the November of that year for his Red Bull team, and he would go on to win the Drivers' Championship title as well.

The triumph five years ago was his fourth Drivers' Championship, having won the three previous back-to-back Championships in 2010, 2011 and 2012.


That season Vettel reigned supreme, dominating races from start to finish as the German driver ultimately went onto wrap up another crown.

Fast-forward to the present day, and Vettel has struggled to keep up with Lewis Hamilton's own dominance this season, as the 2018 calendar heads towards its conclusion.

Alonso said: "Time will tell us, I think when he will have a car like the others, if he wins he will have a great recognition and he will be one of the legends in Formula One.

"When one day, he has a car like the others, when he is fourth, fifth or seventh, these four titles will be bad news for him.

"People will take these four titles, even in a worse manner than what they are doing now so they're are interesting times for Sebastian Vettel."


British driver Hamilton is closing in on his fifth Drivers' Championship as he aims to break records in the coming years in Formula One.

But rewind to Vettel's win at the 2013 Brazilian Grand Prix, and Spaniard Alonso made the then bold prediction that Vettel wouldn't have it all of his own way in the years that followed.

And, of course, Alonso has been proven correct with the comments that he made following Hamilton's winning-spree in the sport.

Now aged 31, and while he is still second within the Drivers' Championship standings, Vettel is someway behind Hamilton, having collected 264 race points as opposed to his rival's haul of 331 after the latter won in Japan on Sunday.

https://www.givemesport.com/1399844-fernando-alonso-predicted-a-warning-for-sebastian-vettel-at-the-2013-brazilian-grand-prix

 

Sour grapes from Alonso, IMO.

History will remember Vettel as 4 times WDC winner, and Alonso as twice champion. Tough luck !!!

What are drivers who have a Superior car supposed to do? Give up their advantage in the spirit of fair play perhaps?

There is maybe a case for handicaping the best car and the best driver, but it's not in the F1 toolbox yet.

 

Could be, IMO part of being a good racer is to have an instinct to know when to jump ship, hopefully into a faster one, of course some luck has to be involved.

 

You posted this before and just like at the first time I think Alonso is not a neutral observer. That said this is one of the times I obvously agree with William...
Furthermore I do not know why you guys always come back to Seb when Lewis is questioned...It seems to me a little bit like kids in the sandbox when mom is yelling at you and you try to distract by pointing at other kids and what they have done....
Talking down Seb does not make Lewis better, in contrary... the "greatness" can only be measured by the opponents. And when Lewis´ only opponent is a weak driver that does not really bring glamour to his achievements. Furthermore: if you think you get me by pointing at Seb I have to tell you that although I like him much more than Lewis I do not think he is one of the goats either....
But I think that comparing Lewis and Seb at this stage of their career is nonsense anyway because they are in complete different surroundings and under complete different pressure. That said I would not be surprised if Lewis would face exactly the same problems being at Ferrari while Seb would cruise to victory in a Mercedes. Because no matter what you want to say about Seb, he has certainly proven that he can drive from the front just as good as Lewis does..

 

It is not only instinct, it is also luck... and as the Ferrari was better in the last 2 seasons you would call Seb clever for leaving RB although he had 4 WDC with them rather than running away from Ricci as not few here try topoint out at every occasion?

 

That's exactly my point!
A good racer is more than a fast racer.
He needs a whole package in terms of networking, negotiation skills with teams and sponsors, and also some intuition on how to conduct his career.
It's not by chance that good cars often end up in the hands of good drivers.

Some fast drivers have made terrible choice in their careers, whilst others did seize an opportunity maybe no one had seen before.
Should we praise the unfortunate drivers, and blame the Wise ones? I think not !!!

 

I didn't actually post that one up, that is a more recent interview with Alonso.

Nice you agreeing with William, fingers crossed it may continue eh..

As Vettel is or was Hamiltons main rival in the WDC chase, they are bound to get compared.

Your probably right in assuming Lewis would face similar problems as Vettel has done at Ferrari, but that I would like to see... I highly doubt it would happen, there again I never thought I'd see him move from Mclaren when he did.

Vettel has done what he can given the circumstances, and he has had a pretty good car this year car I'll give him that, but he has made some errors of late IMO, however with 4 X WDC's to his name, only a fool would say the guy is bad driver, but the stars in all departments have all got to line up to get to that top spot.

 

I already gave you the answer. Maybe you should re-read it.

 

People say Elton is good in the wet? Compared to this he is nothing...


http://youtu.be/U2JbaKtjmzg

 

And here he is again.... sublime, almost supernatural talents in the wet and dry..

Watching these clips, I’ve spent hours rewatching GPs from yesteryear...... I for one couldn’t imagine watching a single race from 2008/9 onwards a second time.... the live races were boring rubbish with crap cars...... the older GPs I could watch time and again, like a favourite film.

http://youtu.be/99iD1xutEhM

 

Spa, 1997, in the third best car on the grid, beats the class car of the field by a LAP......... rain master in the truest sense

http://youtu.be/sdfqtyylVe0