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  1. Olivier NAMECHE

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  2. bb4635

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    Olivier, I've no clue at all about the yellow Miura(s) featured in the three mentionned events (2x films + 1x "Moteurs" magazine).
    I personally didn't read and understand your previous 2011 post as being condidional but percieved it as a more affirmative information / statement.
    On another hand, I've personally seen here in France a Miura yellow front bonnet with many details making me compare it and identify it as the same one as on the Miura featured in l'Homme orchestre - with its specific fixed headlights arrangement + other small characteristic details visible in the movie.
    This front bonnet is stamped #177... Refering to the Factory production listing, can we conclude that the Miura used in the movie "l'homme orchestre" was #3444 ? (and not #3315 or #3111 ?...) I've no certainty...
     
  3. P300V8

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    Bruno, 3444 had body 170...
     
  4. joe sackey

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    #17029 joe sackey, Oct 13, 2018
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    Thanks Victor, I did not think the harbor car was 4860.

    On the harbor car the quick-release fuel-filler cap shows as anodized black, whereas it is bare-metal on 4860 when it was images with Hahne, also, the Japan car shows a slightly smaller chin-spoiler and lacks a driver's side external mirror.

    And yes I agree, there are more factory SVJs than historians have established, not just the claimed 4 or 5, just looking at the body characteristics you can tell which ones were done at the factory by Marchesini et al, some done just post-Miura production in the period 1973 to 1976, as a wise man once said: "if one or two more are found, nobody should be upset" ;) , the moral of that sentiment is, always be open to new received wisdom based on established discoveries.
     
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    Thanks Ivor, you're correct. I meant body 170 for Miura #3444, but reading my post, yes I wrote #177... sorry for my writing mistake.
     
  7. P300V8

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    3513, 3129, 4812...
     
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  8. bb4635

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    Whaoo ! Nice shots !!!
    Among these three lime green Miura, I recognise LHD P400 #3129 in the middle and RHD SV #4812 on the right, but which is the RHD P400 on the left, the one with an open sunvisor ?
     
  9. bb4635

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    Thank-You ! (you answered my question before I even posted it...)
     
  10. joe sackey

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    For many years, even when it was orange, the nose of this Miura has appeared to be different in shape from the standard P400's nose.

    If you compare the noses of the 2 Miura P400 in the image (the 2 Miuras nearest the camera), you can see what I'm saying.
     
  11. mt_jt

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    Looks kind of like an SV bonnet altered to take the older cars lights set up.
     
  12. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #17037 Olivier NAMECHE, Oct 14, 2018
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    Bruno, here is my sentence : "Probably #3111, VPM demo car... as it has the same stickers in the movie as in the reportage…"

    I start by "Probably"... which is not an affirmation...

    You are developping an interesting approach, but first of all #3444 is Giallo fly which is not the same color Giallo used on #3111 and on #3315... and secondly #3444 was delivered the 9th April 1968...

    the time to import and to road register #3444 doesn't allow it to be the car test driven & featured in the magazine MOTEURS, march-April issue… even if the movie record in Paris streets happened in May 1968.

    Definitevely, it cannot be #3444, and that's a strong affirmation.

    Look at the movie sequence :

    Pay attention to the 2 stickers of the car in the movie… check the article… again the magazine was March-April issue… they are exactly the same stickers at the same location on the car.

    Clearly the reportage was not done in April, thus earlier in 1968 or even the previous year… which is the result of my investigation collected recently…

    Knowing #3315 was delivered 26th january 1968, the conclusion of dates speaks by itself, probably it is #3111 delivered the 2nd september 1967.

    Within 6 years of continuing to investigate, yes I can revised my own old statement with the news recently acquired.

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  13. bb4635

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    I was speaking of your previous 2011 post mentionning #3315, not your recent one suggesting now #3111.
     
  14. bb4635

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    A strong affirmation of what Olivier ? Not sure to follow you...

    If you did read my post more attentively : I was especially speaking of only one car : #3444, and making a link with only one subject : the movie l'Homme Orchestre.
    I never spoke of #3444 in relationship with the two other 1968 subjects.

    On another hand, I'm not sure at all and don't follow the assumption that it is the same single Miura that was used in the 3 events (Moteurs magazine article + the two movies).

    But concerning the movie l'Homme Orchestre : a yellow fly-looking Miura (my perception), used in a movie realized in may 1970 & launched in september of the same year, with a such special fixed HL bonnet (later seen as being stamped #170) = the idea that #3444 could be the car (or at least its front bonnet...) that was used for this film still makes sense to me today.


    Concerning the research of the Miura featured in the article of Moteurs magazine and in the other movie (La leçon particulière) - I wasn't discussing this subject.
    But I personally agree with you and think that yes, it is probably the same car that was used in these two cases ; and your recent suggestion of #3111 does appear for me as being a better candidate than the previously supposed #3315...

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  15. Olivier NAMECHE

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    no storm in a glass of water then, no more wave to do then… thanks !
     
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    someone fill me in. how do we look at this photo and determine what the numbers are. it's like identical twins to me. what exactly are we looking at?
     
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    The difference between both "objects" in this silly photo is:

    the car is real while the 2 "weapons" of the girl are fake!
     
  18. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Rear bonnet looks strange, definitely not common. We can call it high tail.
     
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  21. mt_jt

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    Whole shape looks...different. For someone that finds even most of the “SVJ”’s challenging to the eye, this is too much.
     
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  22. bb4635

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    Olivier, did you in fact mean Bertone #525 ? or did you personally see #535 stamped on the body panels of #4302 ?
     
  23. bb4635

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    Yes, "high-tail" for sure !
    I remember this picture of Matteo SCS showing #4302 parked in 2011 next to a non-modified Miura (here SV #4980)

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    Yes, this is a rare early picture that I posted on Instagram of the "Millechiodi", from a Japanese Super Car booklet/brochure.
     
  25. 375+

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    Was this Aldo Cudone's car?
     

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