Because the “detractors” are the ones who constantly bring it up like it’s supposed to matter. Also why are you even bringing up a hypothetical situation about rumours intended to be malicious. If he ever came out as gay how is that gonna affect other people’s lives. If you can change your opinion about somebody just because they are gay then that says more about you. The only reason SimCity3 brought it up was as intent to denigrate Hamilton. As to why he sees gay people as people to target I don’t know. As far as I’m concerned Hamilton is a fantastic racing driver and whether he is heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual will not increase or decrease how much I enjoy watching his exploits on track behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car.
Then why are you so concerned about it when anyone posts a joke at Elton’s expense? You are the first to moan and report any post that seems even innocuously to even seem to mention Elton or his sexuality. You also ignore the fact that in the paddock, there are some very strong opinions that infer he is in fact hiding his true self. You post an awful lot moaning about others opinions and how they shouldn’t post this, and shouldn’t post that, as though you are some arbiter of fairness and morality, yet you don’t see the irony that you are the most biased and bitter person many have ever encountered on the site. If someone has an opinion of Elton or any other driver, it is not for you or I to tell them they cannot have their opinion, we can debate it, but in the end their opinion is their own. If someone opines that Elton is bi or gay, then as a public figure who appears in his social media persona with the traits of that way of life, then that is a debate that is valid. It does not immediately make a poster evil, anti-gay, racist or anything else. What concerns me about heavyhandedness here is that I would imagine there are posters here that are gay themselves, and have opined that Elton is too, and then felt extremely let down by the goody two shoes diving in to save gay people from the evil heterosexuals that want to save the world from itself. I seriously doubt any of them need you or I to stand up for them. At the end of the day, Elton chooses to pose in photos and find himself in situations that fuel debate, other f1 drivers do not, yet they all do the same public appearances and modelling jobs. If it turns out he was gay, most of us here couldn’t care a jot, it won’t change our opinions of him one little bit, it has no consequence, maybe for you it will?
apologies Peter, I didn’t see your post before I posted..... yours was a lot more compact than my opus!
LOL what has this thread turned into now!, discussing the sexuality of Lewis, well I cannot add to this because personally I wouldn't know, I haven't got a Gaydar!, however if Lewis's detractors think that's the case well maybe, they must know, I couldn't care less, and why anybody would care is beyond me
I can't believe this stuff is going on again. People can discuss whatever they wan't, they can say Elton is crap, Seb is ******, Bottas is a waitress, Max is slower than a snail, Mercedes are cheaters, Ferrari are smokers, i don't give a ****, but attacking other members in the way you are doing is totally inadmissible. I've been called homophobic once around here, and it is something i cannot admit, and i believe no mod should allow it to happen. You are accusing someone without having any proof of that, and without knowing the person you are talking about. saying someone is black doesn't make anyone a racist, just as calling me white doesn't make the person who said it a racist. saying someone is gay, hetero, or bissexual doesn't mean anything, it doesn't say anything about my personal tastes or tolerance towards a certain group of people. At most it just shows we understand and accept that we live in a world were there are several ways to embrace sexuality. Accusing someone of some kind of "phobia" without having any proff of that is on the other hand a very low blow, and only reflects badly on the person who made the accusation.
Really ? So why do some tifosi on this forum, you among them, invoke blasphemy and go absolutely ballistic if someone dares to say that Schumacher was a cheat (a proven fact) or that Gilles Villeneuve was just overrated ? Freedom of expression should go both ways !
Please show me the post where i say Shumacher never cheated? Better start searching! As for Gilles being overrated, well, it's your opinion, i strongly desagree and so does every driver who ever raced against him.
[QUOTE="P.Singhof, post: 146288048, member: 32841" Fact is that the Lewis-superfan painted the picture of Lewis flying around the world "screwing three supermodels" and none of you political correct guys came over here and said anything about sexism because obviously some of his "fans" like the idea of him banging supermodels more than being gay at the end... leaves the question who actually is homophobic [/QUOTE] This is correct. There was an assumption of Lewis "screwing three supermodels". I have several LGBT friends and colleagues, it makes no difference to me - plenty of LGBT representation in the world of music and tv. Given the hostile environment found within this board I'm sure someone will be along criticising the Quran for its views on homosexuality
I wrote "some tifosi on this forum, you among them," which is true regarding GV whom you defend ardently like if he was the second coming. Your choice, but I am not easily startstruck. I saw him race, and I wasn't impressed: F1 isn't a rodeo. Am I allowed to say that ? For a small clique on here, criticising their favourite drivers, past or present, is absolutely taboo, but they are quite happy to dish rhe dirt on others . That sounds like double standard to me. I think I touched a raw nerve when I gave my opinion about Schumacher too.
Gilles was not the second coming, in terms of f.1 he was the first one...and i seriously doubt there will be a second! As for Michael, he wasn't the fastest, or the most talented,or the most spectacular, or the smartest, or the best tunner, and certainly not the fairest driver i ever saw, but he sure was the hardest worker and he was very near the top in every other category wich makes him all round up the more complete f.1 driver i ever saw and probably ever was. I was not a big fan of his, and i would have fired him after Jerez 97...fortunatly for Ferrari, Luca didn't saw it the same way i did, and in time Michael rewarded his trust, not once, nor twice but 5 times in a row.....i wasn't a fan, but i became ...i don't forget his flaws, but i remenber his greatness, even as a man, and all that he has done for charity....Senna (whom i never liked, although recognize his immense talent, did far worse than him on track but i guess that Michael being German didn't help much!
There is a very obvious disconnect here... So, what exactly is your point? Why are you repeatedly suggesting Lewis (a person you dislike strongly) is a homosexual?
Sorry but that does not add up... If you do not care about his sexual orientation, why are you here in full force to "defend" Lewis against those "malicious" accusations? Because obviously you "like" the image of Lewis "screwing three supermodels" much more than the imagination that he might not be interested in them, because flying around, recording a record, screwing some models and earning a **** load of money by doing so seems to be the dream life and homosexuality does not have any place in that. Then after someone answering the remark of ONE OF YOUR GANG about his sesxuality you guys come along and once again trying to turn it around as the "clique of detractors" started this and you are all your usual self: kraftwerk is posting a one-liner about detractors followed by a Monty Python video and william has his usual speech about the evil forum being so biased against the few decent people followed by the usual "but look at Schumacher". This is exactly what I think about 5-6 persons who come along as soon as someone says Lewis, Elton or Hamilton (or "Jehovah" for kraftwerks Monty Python wisdom).
I judge drivers by the way they race, and I have no interest on anything else, supermodels, sexual orientation or charity work. That doesn't interest me the least. I can accept various degrees of talents on the track, and make allowance for different levels of experience, racecraft, or the variation between cars. Sometimes, the race within the race among minnows and less talented drivers provides more excitement than at the front. But there is one thing that is Paramount to me: respect. If a driver display lack of sportmanship by nor respecting other competitors, then I have no respect for him. I can make a distinction between lack of skill, mistake, and deliberate dirty moves. Drivers who deliberately ram cars, block them, squeeze them out of the track, bully other drivers, play intimidation and gain advanyage on the track by unsporting behaviour I despise. Sorry, but I am from the old school where drivers used to show respect to each others, and where such behaviour was unknown. You would never have seen Clark, Brabham, Stewart, Fittipaldi or Lauda playing rough; they were all gentlemen respecting each others. When they won, it was "fair and square". Then Senna came, introduced the "win at all cost mentality" and started to bully his competitors by ramming other cars, etc ...,. I hated that attitude. That took the authorities by surprise, and they didn't react fast enough to stop the rot. I blame the FIA for that. Schumacher stepped in Senna's shoes soon after and used the same dirty tactics., and I was frankly disgusted by it. It has been widely documented, I don't need to repeat the infractions here. That's how I lost all respect in Schumacher. I would say that I cannot understand why either Senna or Schumacher resorted to such appalling tactics when they had enough talent in them to win cleanly. Even Hamilton at times was borderline in track ethics when duelling with Rosberg, I thought, but he is more chilled out now. That's why I was glad when Rosberg finally overcame the on-track bullying and beat him to the post. The bottom line is; I can't stand bullies, in real life just like in sport, and I have absolutely no respect for them.
Can't say i disagree much with what you said, this is one of the reasons i always like Kimi, he was fast as hell (long time ago, not so often now) and always a very clean driver...same goes for Mika, an amazing driver and sportsman in my book. Gilles managed to be the hardest driver on the track but always kept it clean and fair, another reason why i like him so much. Senna drove for the "enemy" and after what he did to Prost in 1990 i simply couldn't stand him ...Michael was far from being clean, and i hated when he came to ferrari, that thing with jacques was very ugly but, unlike ayrton, it wasn't premeditated, it was just a stupid reaction...he was severely penalised, and his reputation suffered a well deserved blow, but he made up for it in the next years, he was such an amazing talent, he really didn't needed to do those things, neither did Senna, in fact i believe they would have been considered even greater drivers if they had one last title but kept it clean. Still, Michael was amazing for Ferrari, he was always super professional with the team, never criticized it, worked his butt off, and gave Ferrari a second golden era, and i am very greatfull for that, he was one of theb greatest talents f.1 ever had and it was a pleasure to watch him race.
I am no tifosi, and I don't really support any driver. I like Ricciardo and Perez, but they aren't likely to be top drivers or GOAT as some call them. I like F1 as a sport, but it's not a religion to me. I cannot see any driver or any team as "the enemy". I just doesn't understand that tribal mentality, I really don't. For me it's really primitive behaviour. Both Senna and Schumacher had a long history of unethical behaviour, all along their career. It's well documented. Senna went to confess in interviews to intimidate opponents by deliberate manoeuvers to psych them out . He would cut in front of a car after overtaking just to force the driver to brake to avoid contact. He once said he learned to be rough in karting. When confronted by journalists about his antics during interviews in Brazil after the season, he would just laugh at the accusations. He claimed to be a believer and truly believed he had a divine right to do that! That went to the point of deliberately ramming Prost's Ferrari at high speed just to eliminate him from the championship. He first denied it, and then confessed Under pressure to be allowed to race the next year. That unethical behaviour really puts me off. The FIA should have banned him for life like it is done in some other sports. Schumacher wasn't better and went on longer. The way he won his first title by deliberately ramming Damon Hill was really despicable, and he became immediatly a hate figurefor me, and for many. I remember watching that race live on TV with friends; we would have killed him !!! There was more to come, and often too. After the Villeneuve incident, the FIA finally took notice, but by then he was protected by Jean Todt and his friends in Paris. He should have been banned too. Many instancess of swerving, blocking, running opponents of the track, deliberate Wheel contacts, or squeezing cars against the wall, followed.He did it many times, just like swerving in front of cars at the start, etc.... He even tried to crash his own brother once! Eddie Jordan, whose car it was, went on to protest him for dangerous driving. It never stopped. Even during his come back at Mercedes, when he had no chance to win, Schumacher resorted to his old tactics, once squeezing at high speed his old team mate Barichello against the pit wall during a GP. "I didn't see him" he replied when asked to explain that. Rubens was livid and still shacking after the race. So sorry if I don't join the chorus of sycophant worshippers, but for me Schumacher was't a great driver, and I have no respect for him. Greatness is also measured on how you win, and how you achieve success.
No I don't. But I refute spurious claims that seek to denigrate his achievements. I prefered Rosberg to Hamilton, and I like Ricciardo too.
