I think you have confused the scenario where Gilles died - it wasn't in a race, it was in a qualifying session. With the one lap special qualifying tires they used then, Gilles was on a flier and could not have slowed down and tried another fast lap later; and Mass was on a cool down lap. Mass saw Villeneuve coming and darted to the side, while Gilles had to bet on which side to overtake... and bet wrong.
Wow!! Max pushed Ocon and people are acting like it was full on assault. I guess it’s a sign of our snowflake pc times. I think they should take it behind the woodshed and settle it old school.
No-- smarter moves on track would work better. Max had ZERO right to physically assault Ocon. He's like a 3rd world dictator's kid with Horner 'enabling' him lol. Max cost himself a win. LH provided the input he needed post race and he looked confused lol. Clarity of thought / action elude him, so clouded in too much emotion. Lets be clear, he lost an easily won race all by himself. Period. Its his fault 100% for making a major error in judgement. Ocon provided an opportunity to show all this 'maturity' they babble on about in the press and on SKY and other TV places. He utterly failed in front of the world both during and after the race. SO he is the next great amazing F1 star with his lack of emotional control. Not yet.
Ok, ok, I 'll give in, talentless brat MV should be severely punished for assaulting and wounding the hugely talented innocent Ocon, which was so harshly robbed of a seat for 2019. But also the fault of MV father of course. The violence MV applied was beyond words. Really upsetting, we should not see any of that these peaceful days. What if a child would witness that? Terrible. Before you know it they also learn that there are people that do not want to be walked over. And we should not want that. Kumbaya, kumbaya.... I am done with discussing with MV hating PC snowflake people. Bye.
Max Verstappen showed he can't manage his emotions - F1's Ross Brawn Formula 1 sporting boss Ross Brawn says Max Verstappen showed he is not capable of keeping his emotions in check in his post-race confrontation with Esteban Ocon in Brazil. Verstappen was ordered to carry out two days of "public service" with the FIA as punishment for the incident, where he shoved Ocon as they disputed their collision that cost the Red Bull driver the victory at Interlagos. In his regular post-race media debrief, Brawn said Verstappen's behaviour could not be justified. "Max vented his anger in parc ferme, making physical contact with Ocon," said Brawn. "It was not an edifying sight and though understandable it was of course not justifiable. "The incident with Ocon was a cruel moment, but in the aftermath Max showed he has made enormous progress in his career [but he] is still not able to manage his emotions in these situations, an essential next step. "Having said that, one mustn't forget he is still very young and while his conduct wasn't justifiable we can all understand the frustration he felt after the incident and again at the end of the race, the outcome of which should not cancel out what was an amazing performance from the Dutchman. "Over the past 10 years, no-one has won the Brazilian Grand Prix from further back than the second row, but Max came very close on Sunday. "I'm sure Max will learn from what happened and that everything that happened, including the penalty he was given, will contribute to his development as a driver and mainly as a man." 'No reason' for Ocon aggression Brawn also offered a view on Ocon's part in the on-track incident, when the Force India driver robustly tried to unlap himself by battling Verstappen. "While the Frenchman was entirely justified in trying to unlap himself, given that he was clearly quicker at that moment, it has to be said there was no reason to take on Verstappen as though he was fighting for his first win in Formula 1," he said. "He deserved the 10-second stop and go penalty he was given in the race. "I don't think that Ocon was simply thinking of trying to get in the points. "I believe it was more the case that he was caught up in the moment and didn't think it through. "Maybe fighting to the death with the race leader might not have been the best plan, even when that driver is one with whom you had some spirited fights in the lower formulae." Brawn urged both drivers to learn from what happened on Sunday, also reminding them of the responsibility they have while competing on a global stage. "Drivers must not forget they are role models for the fans and for youngsters who want to follow in their footsteps," he added. "Overall, Sunday was a lesson for both Verstappen and Ocon, one they won't forget in a hurry. It's just another part of their learning curve."
Max makes mistakes. No one has confronted him in such a manner but its ok if he does. Glad you are leaving. No loss LOL
The problem is that if you say he's entitled to unlap himself he has to make something of an aggressive move to get by. And with Max especially that's never going to be easy. It looked like Max swerved and defended in the braking area at turn 1 and Ocon was then clearly visible alongside on his outside, so to drive as if he didn't exist at turn 2 was just stupid. If the FIA are going to allow drivers to unlap themselves then they need to set out a protocol - otherwise they can't really justify blaming Ocon. IMV Max knew it was Ocon and tried to intimidate him off the track and it all went horribly wrong.
[emoji23] “Physically assault”.....bwahaha Better hurry, your going to be late to your knitting class. The only thing I don’t get is why Ocon didn’t return fire.
I know the details very well. Unfortunately I still remember when the breaking news came on TV and how that broke my heart (it was Prueller on Austrian TV). So no, I did not confuse things. Very similar scenario. Any racing driver knows to stay where they are when a faster car approaches which they want to let by. That's an old rule on which Gilles counted. Mass did exactly the opposite, trying to get out of the way, he went straight into Gilles' path. Bad decision on Mass' part. That aside it made no sense for Gilles to try to get the pole with halfway used tires. Red mist and trying to beat Pironi for pole got the better of him. But the accident was avoidable.
Thank you. I really meant that. I find it increasingly difficult to live in our PC world. Call me a dinosaur but the time when I was growing up was way more fun. Remember the seventies and the eighties? I'd give anything to be back in that time over today. <rant mode off>
Where I come from (UK), pushing and shoving someone intentionally could be seen as common assault, because there is the threat of more physical harm, added to intimidation, etc ... Poking someone with a finger can be termed as assault, and there is jurisprudence to prove it. The victim or even a witness can report the incident, and it's up to the police to charge the author, and the magistrate(s) to decide if a penalty or sentence is appropriate. The victim can also sue his aggressor for damage, and compensation. But we are talking about the UK here. Ocon was smart not to reiterate to Verstappen's attack. if he had responded in kind, the incident would have degenerated and turned into a brawl, in which both participants willingly participate to violence. The law becomes very blur at that point, because you are not supposed to use more force than your attacker (in English law, I know in the States you can just shoot anyone) to defend yourself. So Ocon kept all his legal rights by staying the victim. Very smart Ocon kept a cool head in this, much to his credit; Anyone knows that violent outbursts in front of the world media don't do any favour to their author. Max Verstappen looks more than ever like a spoilt brat with bad anger management, the victim of poor upbringing, and a history of violence in the family.
Glad I don’t come from where you come from. Max is a little prick but the assault word being thrown around so nonchalantly is troubling.
Same here, believe me !!! Any wrongdoing getting wide exposure and exposing its author for what he is, I am all for it. The FIA was very lame, IMO, in only giving Verstappen 2 days of "community service". The sentence isn't approriate to the offence in my booK; only a race suspension would have been adequate;
Do you feel better now. More superior? Ocon did the right thing. Max - not quite as much. There are some well known large muscular male knitters from the NFL - I guess they are just not real men like you eh? https://www.amazon.com/Rosey-Griers-Needlepoint-Men-Grier/dp/0802704212 - Detailed how-to book on the craft of needlepoint by the famed 1970s football player Rosey Grier, aimed at the men in the audience. Includes many photos, step-by-step instructions, and sample patterns for the crafty man.
