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Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

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  1. Ellagirl

    Ellagirl F1 Rookie

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    How do you tell the difference,if the fuelie is taken back to original look by loosing its add ons(with ex of the engine lid) also you should drive one of each induction variant,in proper tune,exhast and all,you might be inn for a suprice, anyway amazing picture and setting.
     
  2. Rossocorsa1

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    You are correct - the fuelie exterior looks great when someone (a very, very small number of owners will go through the time and expense of conversion), removes and converts the bumpers, etc. Although, I must say, the single rear hump on the downdraft is probably my favorite design feature on any QV. Still, if you're a true purist, the factory created the QV to be a downdraft and that's undeniable. Don't get me wrong, if I'm unsuccessful obtaining my dream of owning a downdraft because it's proves out of my reach, I'll probably end-up getting a fuelie and converting the look, but, I'll always wish I had the real deal.
     
  3. Ellagirl

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    I understand,although i think thr fi version was part of the qv engine plan,from the get go,US market was to important to ignore,anyway i got full respect for your oppinion.
     
  4. rmolke85

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    This was a weird time in automotive history with a lot of rule changes that unfortunately effected cars from Europe in their original Specs. Things needed to be changed often times with more regulation leaving the regulated product vastly different from the original. Its just the way it happened. Its happening again.

    Do you think it would be worth more or less if the new Aston Martin Valkyrie came to america with a blown V8 to meet emissions here instead of the V12 USA is important market. Not even sure if its totally legal anyway, maybe show and display? So if they needed to modifiy it to meet emissions those would trade less, forever. Its the same car and maybe even has the same speed. Its got a different feel, different sound, different look in the engine bay. Those things matter to most buyers in this league. The original is always better than a regulated model which is true for basically any make model of car. This is not some uncommon thing.

    The DD countach is so significant due to the fact its a true end of era car with the carbs and the ultimate expression of one period the end. They are old enough and special enough to be at the top of the collectibles list for many nuanced reasons. Argue all day, nothing changes.
     
  5. Rossocorsa1

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    Still love all Countach's, regardless, but we all have our favorites. How many of us would love to have a periscope car? I know I would. No way I could afford one, however.
     
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  6. Rossocorsa1

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    Excellent points.
     
  7. Ellagirl

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    Dumbest point ever, first,nobody is arguing value.Second,you are comparing a v8 to v12? Have you lost your mind? The dd and fi got the same 4 valve v12,with different inductions, c mon you can do better,lol.
     
  8. Ellagirl

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    Excelent point? I was expecting a differen reaction from you. This duude is something else
     
  9. Ellagirl

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  10. joe sackey

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    #9685 joe sackey, Nov 13, 2018
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    Absolutely.

    You can tell the difference easily, in the current information age, even kids know the difference.

    You should drive a good Downdraft, you may be surprised.

    Rather than suggesting theories, there are actual documented tests taking place, tests in which Downdrafts are being dyno'd anywhere from 452.1 bhp to 479.21 bhp (@ the crank) whereas several Fuelies have been consistently dyno'd at an average of 350.6 bhp (@ the crank), please don't try and tell us headers and a sports exhaust will make up @ 100 plus bhp, 10% = 35 bhp. At some point soon, there'll be a definitive published piece on this subject with dyno sheets for all to see, and it'll be understood that the power difference in the Downdraft engines comes from the bottom, crank, pistons, camshafts and of course superior carburetor induction, all in good time, ready when it's ready.

    Every Fuelie conversion to a European look is a partial conversion, it's never done completely, side-markers are left in, exhaust valances are not changed, the engine cover is different etc. Then what do you have? You have a modified car, and as values of the special Countachs increase, the modified cars will get overlooked in favor of the pure originals.

    You will get a Downdraft.

    If you speak to the 1980s CEO and the Chief Engineer of Nuova Automobili Lamborghini SpA, they will both separately tell you exactly the opposite is true.

    Exactly, it is undeniable and indisputable for anyone who is both knowledgeable & objective.

    Me too, I love them all but I call them each for what they are, I would still have one of my LP400 Periscopas, but I am simply too tall to drive any 4-liter Countach variant, believe me, I tried.
     
  11. joe sackey

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    Meanwhile, this recently recommissioned Dutch Downdraft shows that someone is still circulating those too-tall rear springs that jacks up the rear of the cars giving them an unstable look.

    At speed, the already-high engine disposition plus rear wing plus too tall springs spells trouble IMO.

    Unusual wing BTW

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  12. Ellagirl

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    Really?they were running a sports car factory in the mid 80s and the US was not part of their plan. That would be a comment coming from an engineer. Not the money man
    Love the v8 versus v12 Aston example. This duude is something else
     
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  14. Rossocorsa1

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    I’m a duude? I haven’t been called that since college. You’re an interesting personality. I’ll leave it at that.
     
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    #9690 joe sackey, Nov 13, 2018
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    It wasn't because they had a car using an engine designed with a carburetor induction system that was already 12 years in production before they were forced to re-design it to come out with an official USA version. From CEO, to Chief Engineer to Chief Development engineer, they will all tell you they wish they did not have to create a USA version, but they were forced to compromise the Countach to achieve this, because it represented a big market share.
     
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    He has no idea who he's talking to, or what he is talking about sometimes, but I will say that he is the winner of the award for the most bans around here, that much is indisputable, although he'll probably argue that as well

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  17. Ellagirl

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    To clearifi ,the duude comment was aimed at Mölke for the v8 Aston comment. Then again Duude is not to bad
     
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    Sure, I guess that makes it okay then.

    Here's the thing, for a guy who was twice-banned in recent succession, when you come on here and make rude & unnecessary remarks such as Dumbest point ever
    and Have you lost your mind? you are simply painting a picture of yourself.

    If you can't participate in a polite and constructive conversation because the content here is not what you wished it was, you know what to do.
     
  19. Ellagirl

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    Thats a statement,coming from you, move on
     
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    Looks great in yellow.. don’t see many of those. Never met any Lamborghini engineers but did ask VB once if they ever did any FI engine upgrades or special tunes from the factory as they did for a small number of carb cars (side draft and downdraft), and he responded with a resounding “no, too much time and development into the f.i. to alter, changes...emissions”.
    On a side note I am happy about any time the front and rear ends are given the euro look on a FI car. It makes them much truer to the original design and look much better.
     
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    #9696 ylshih, Nov 13, 2018
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    Violation of pre-existing warning/advisory. Permanent thread ban for Ellagirl.
     
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  22. Rossocorsa1

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    I do agree - anyone who converts their FI car to euro looknshojmd be commmended. Unfortunately, I’m sure it’s a costly pain I’m the butt.
     
  23. rmolke85

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    #9698 rmolke85, Nov 13, 2018
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    This was just a hypothetical situation as an illustration, admittedly maybe not the best one.

    Maybe the Mercedes Project One with the F1 engine? Totally different system yielding less HP ect ect because of emissions/regulations. That much further from the racing engine? For what its worth I feel the exact same way about USA F40's although that trade goes the other way for many reasons. Because Ferrari...

    I think its the Speedtail thats show and display. McLaren needs the car to do one thing and they wont change it to meet US regs. This is the other way it goes which is actually worse case IMO.

    Dont get too bent out of shape over there. Its just a discussion and really based in reality based on other makes and models, cheap ones to ultra expensive. Sorry for interjecting.
     
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    I found the picture of me looking in ( DROOLING OVER ) as a teenager and taking this picture, at this Countach in GM's lot of study cars. I would have done anything to get close to that Countach!!
    Sorry for the poor picture quality. I took a picture with my phone of the original picture.
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  25. Rossocorsa1

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    You have to admit, that is such a surreal image. The ultimate in super cars at the time, sitting among rather ordinary company. What a wild image. Personally, it's pretty funny seeing another pedestrian photo of that specific car, given the impact it had on my life. Thanks for sharing.
     

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