Pista is the fastest car in Autocar's supertest!

As I said earlier - a very sensitive breed indeed. Like no other. Let's all just talk about chocolate cake and ice cream from now on.

 

I've said this before but it has fallen on deaf ears. Funny watching the back pedaling though.

 

I do agree with what you wrote , but in my instance it was only going to be one car. I wish the prices were as low as your cars and then I would have possibly tried more. And with that one really needs to think very carefully which car they buy. Buy wrong and boy you are going to cry. In real terms countries that are disadvantaged by very high taxes one really thinks which car to buy. Look at Turkey with 240% tax on their cars . A lambo / mac and Ferrari would cost nearly 3 million dollars USD
I have bought all my cars cash , never financed. It takes time to save so ill never be on the merry go round to swap cars.

But actually I was lucky that the house prices here had escalated so much over the past 5 years . Basically 3/4 of the 488 was free the way I see it. Got out just in time at its peak. Having said that when the market crashes ild rather be owning a Ferrari than a Mac

 

Angelo, I am curious about the market in Australia. Is the Ferrari market so weak that someone who buys a single car (488) able to get a Pista allocation without any other purchases or other obligations? I have the opinion that this is likely not the case but not certain. Thank you

 

Why would I waste my time calling him? Is there a full moon out tonight? Strange

 

Both Mac and Ferrari will tank (along with any luxury item). If you can't afford them after a 'crash' you can't afford them before a 'crash'. Don't overextend yourself at anytime. I don't worry about ups and downs. If you focus too much on that, you probably can't afford them anyways.

Cheers.

 

LOL he still cant believe I am getting a Pista! Must be eating away at poor ole Gh.

 

Why not. International calls are very cheap nowadays and you are calling it out as nonsense so why not clear the air if not for your own benefit. The offer still stands. He may even be able to point you where to look - so you can check yours.

 

Again I would agree . I for one am guilty of this. First supercar. But I did get to drive the other cars before making my decision and not just a 5 minute trip around the block.
Im not in a position to have multiple cars or change cars often to try each brand out. Basically don't have the dollars to play that game and frankly don't like to prospect of shelling out about $100,000 USD to the government every time I change the car. Then on top of that the devaluation. And it wont change anytime soon Ferrari no matter what will always have a higher resale. I want to drive and do , my 488 GTB. Because even if it has 100,000 kms I will get more than the other brands.

 

I dont blame you especially when the differences are minimal and appeal unique to the individual.

 

Mandalay; you gotta be really careful... this is a disease thing of going in and out of cars. Sales guys always calling you and inviting you to events. Not so easy to stop buying and going in and out of cars... I've seen it a few times where people lose a lot of money and then just stop altogether with a lot of regret of getting into this system.

 

I've seen this too. I think this is a key reason to always make sure whatever you buy doesn't leave you stuck in a corner especially at the prices we pay. And as Angelo says the cars are usually bought using tax paid cash money. So when you pay 800 for a car, that's really 1.6m. Then you have the insurance and other on costs.....sure you know all about this anyways.

 

I just know better but on the interweb we can claim/be whatever we want.

 

He's getting a Pista because there aren't many people in the world willing to pay like $1M for a 488 LOL

It's not exactly an honor being able to get a Pista for the price of a 918

 

Sure - but for you Gh I will PM you the pic of it and any others I have you would like to see just to put your own mind at ease that I am not one of these persons you speak unfavorably of. The Ferrari market here is far from weak and I have confirmed Pista allocation and order in the system along with 50K. Due mid to late 2019. I can't wait actually - life's too short to be awaiting cars you really want to drive and own! Wish it was here sooner tbh.....the stable awaits! If you were here I'd even take you for a spin in it.....I don't hold grudges.

 

Yes well it's true we do get bent over badly - but what is our other option? I also don't buy things for the "honor of owning", - just for driving and admiring the engineering and machinery. It's all art and driving pleasure to me. The Pista is near 800 btw....not cheap but I think will be worth it.

 

I bought a 488 GTB but I haven't had any allocation , not that I want one and the dealer doesn't know that. I know of 2 getting PISTA's but they have several cars. The PISTA's will be very dear ,double your prices and speced out probably closer to 900- 1 million. So the cars are dear . Population 24 million so there are less buyers than you guys. So its not that Ferrari market is weak at all. Its all relative . If you guys have higher demand vs supply your dealers are going to flog it as much as they can.

 

Sorry missed this.
You say defensive of any criticism? Really? I'm absolutely totally open to any information on the 488 - good, bad or otherwise. No dummy being spat from my mouth! I only joined Fchat to find out all I could about the 488 so If you or anyone else has anything good or bad please share. I can take it.

And this "banter"you speak of seems to be unfortunately associated to certain Mac owners being unable to manage certain comments (or information) very well, put their way in the course of discussing the ownership pros and cons between the current offerings.

 

LOL. Look at this message I just got randomly on ML. I'll grab the IP address from the mods there and perhaps the Fchat mods can cross reference LOL. I'm sure it's some 50 year old dude who wasn't technically inclined enough to use a proxy/VPN. Will be hilarious to unmask this guy

"You big son of a whore that owns nothing. How are you?
Still showing your superior intelect in these forums?"

Man, seems I got under someone's skin here. Definitely an Fchat user too because his only 2 other posts reference Fchat and every other car being better than McLaren hahaha. Sent about 25 minutes ago, so I wonder who was reading and posting in this thread 25 minutes ago...

Man, I love it. Look, he even spelled intellect wrong.

 

Actually one with basically everything in it is close to 800. It's really only if you option the triple paint which is another 42K where it will jump over 8. The mat paint is 50K..
It's true that not all 488 owners were given allocation even though some had previously bought other Ferraris. It really came down to the time the interest was expressed along with their participation at motorsport (track days etc). Given each dealership only got so many cars not every 488 buyer was going to get one so it came down to the dealer deciding who gets one. I am aware that guys who don't do track and just wanted the cars to own were not given priority in the allocation process. Those who were serious about driving the car thankfully got to have a go for a change rather than have these Pistas all parked up as garage queens on display. I'm going to be driving mine on track and wherever else I can exercise it - not ponce it around cars and coffee or peacocking it around town. That to me is just a total waste of a good car IMO!

 

Can you please provide me a link? I'd love to see what you've been getting yourself up to over there. I'll even make time to look ok - just for you

 

Do you see that you are really the only one posting like this on these forums? Do you see any of these other threads on these forums regarding issues/problems with Ferrari's? As I said; many people on these forums have been around for a long time so they don't get into this type of banter.

A lot of the bashing you do is reminiscent of ESPN comment section when discussing Ohio State Buckeyes vs Michigan Wolverines. We aren't debating sports teams here. We are discussing, learning, sharing things about various cars in a cordial manner but also understanding that we just dropped a check to buy these cars. We didn't engineer, design, build the cars. Just an end user of the cars.

There is no such thing as a "mclaren" centric owner. Mac owners usually own Ferrari's, porsches, lambos or have had a combination of those cars. The same is not necessarily true of the other brands. Some people buy Ferrari's because they want to network, be part of clubs and they will stay the Ferrari way because there is a lot more to how they want to use the cars. They are fans of the Formula 1 team and having a Ferrari road car is their way of showing support or being part of the family.

In the real world; these discussions that are on the forums are much, much different. None of this banter in real life. Hardly anyone even compares and many have ownership interest across a few different marque's.

In my neighborhood; just about every person who considers themselves a "car person" has ferrari/lambo/porsche/mclaren or a combination of at least 3 of these. Usually, the Mac is the most recent one and 720s was their first foray into the brand. They'll tell me the 720s is the best car they've had (they are usually the type that will say that the last car they have just bought is the best car they've ever had). None of those cars get above 700 miles before they get rotated into other cars. When they get Pista; they will say its the best car they've had, then when it's 750LT, they'll say its the best car they ever had and so on and so on.

The shortest discussion/text I had was with one of my Ferrari friends who has bought a lot of Ferrari's in the last 3 years (I'd say 20 of them). Here was the text exchange when he got the 488: "just got 488, it's fast"... "bye bye speciale".

 

It was a private message actually. I have barely even conversed with anyone there in weeks. It's obviously someone from here who knew they couldn't send the message here or they would get banned LOL

 

Check Frefan posting. He got something similar (can't remember if he got it on instagram, mclife or on these forums). Pretty disturbing behavior.

 

I think you misunderstood. Im definitely not overextended, own the car , house etc. Im just saying for those that cant hold on there is a higher probability to sell the Ferrari rather than the Mac. Gee a 1998 355 with 37 k miles sold at auction for 114,000 USD. So after 20 years still hold 60% of its value.